Pope bows before crowned skull of Czech saint
Pope Benedict XVI has bowed before the skull of the Czech Republic’s patron saint before an open-air mass for the country’s youth.
The skull of a man who died 1000 years ago is adored and venerated by the Roman Catholics and the Pope.
Sunday, The 82-year-old pope visited the Saint Wenceslas Basilica in Stara Bolesav, just outside Prague. There he paid homage to the saint on the anniversary of his murder more than 1,000 years ago.
Saint Wenceslas, who was duke of Bohemia until his death, was murdered by his power-hungry pagan brother Boleslav on September 28th, 935 A.D at the gate of a church that used to stand where the basilica is now.
The pope also venerated the so-called Palladium, a small metal picture of the Virgin Mary with Infant Jesus, which according to legend the saint wore on his neck.
Afterwards Benedict headed to a field to celebrate mass before tens of thousands of pilgrims on the last day of his three-day visit to the former communist country.
Most Czechs are non-Catholics, with Papists making up less than a third of the 10.3-million population, according to Vatican data.
Source: Multiple Media.
My comment
If Catholics and non-Catholics alike, do not understand the anti-Christian ritual of venerating, adoring or worshiping a skull, there is absolutely nothing I can say or do to convince you.
Shame on the Pope, and the Papists who believe in this wicked and perverse religion.
If you do not repent and leave this false Church, you will all end up in Hell. Mind my words.
Off-bitten toe of Roman Catholic priest to be on exposition in Lisbon
The lost toe of the Catholic saint Francis Xavier, and other sacred relics of the patron saint of Goa, will be exposed for public veneration. It will take place in St. Roque´s Church in the heart of Lisbon.
More than one toe of this Roman Catholic priest displayed in Old Goa is missing.
The reliquary is of St. Francis toe, which as per historical accounts was bitten off the saints body by a Portuguese noble lady in the 16th century.
The Saints vestments and other relics belonged to the family of the Count of Nova Goa, and have recently been donated to Santa Casa De Misericordia a state run Portuguese Charity who also maintains a well known museum in Lisbon.
The skull of the Roman Catholic priest can be adored in Old Goa in Goa in India.
Source: Indian newspaper Gomantak Times
My comment:
It is not funny to tell the Roman Catholic that this is paganism, and reminds me about Egyptian worship of mummies.
The Bishop of Goa and his priests worship the mummified body of a Catholic priest in Old Goa.
But I have to.
This is about life and death. The eternal consequences of adoration, veneration or worshiping of a skeleton is God´s wrath and judgment.
What do Pastors in Protestant Churches think they are doing, when they move in ecumenical forums with Rome? Do they think they will escape the coming judgment for approving this kind of «church» as Christian?
Revelation 9:20
The rest of mankind that were not killed by these plagues still did not repent of the work of their hands; they did not stop worshiping demons, and idols of gold, silver, bronze, stone and wood—idols that cannot see or hear or walk.
Catholic Bible with verses from Vedas, Gandhi
INDIA: A new version of the Bible published by the Roman Catholic Church has become a huge hit in Kerala. References in the Indianized version of the Bible have been picked up from the Upanishads, Bhagavad Gita and Manusmriti.
A corrupt version of the Bible, propmoted by the Vatican.
The characters in the Bible have also been dressed up in Indian clothes. A sketch shows Joseph wearing a turban and Mary in a sari. Mother Mary holds baby Jesus in her arms in the sketch.
However, the sketch is just one among the 24 sketches in the new Indianised Bible published by the Roman Catholic Church.
The Indianisation does not end with the sketches. The Bible not only contains commentaries with references to the Upanishads, the Gita and the Manusmriti, it also has references to Gandhi and Miraben.
Nevertheless, the text is the accepted Catholic version.
“I welcome this unprecedented step as long as the message of Bible is never compromised with. The Biblical version, which we have been reading in India, is mostly the translations by European scholars. For example, The Jerusalem Bible poem. However, the Indianised version is a new attempt by Asian scholars and theologians,” says Theologian and thinker, Professor PT Chacko.
The Indianised bible is a revised edition of the popular Christian Community Bible, which is produced by French priest Bernardo Hurault, for non-English speaking audience. About 30 scholars have worked on the Indian interpretations, which are published as footnotes.
“There are about seventy references to non-Christian texts in both the Testaments. About 30 scholars participated in making the commentary. Some of them have included Indian scriptures, while others have not,” says Spokesperson of Syro Malabar Church, Father Paul Thelakkat.
Meanwhile, the Church says the idea is to give a cultural relevance to the message of the Bible and going by the response in Kerala, it seems that the idea has been well received.
Source: IBN CNN. August 10th 2008.
Fake Christianity promoted in Rome
Ephesians 2: 8-10.
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
Salvation in the Jewish Messiah is all about mercy and grace. For both Jews and gentiles. Under no circumstance can salvation be achieved by works. A man who understand this, and is born again, will receive the free gift of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit will never stop doing good works through that man, work that God has prepared for him in advance. God has prepared. I have not prepared anything. But many self-righteous people prepare a lot of good works for them self, in a try to gain, earn, achieve, or win salvation.
When Paul lived on Earth, the Gospel of Faith and Works did not exist. If he had listen to people who promote the Roman version of «Christianity», with all its man made laws, he would quickly have added: The gospel of Jesus is all about living by faith alone.
Martin Luther was a Roman priest, who tried to live by the standard of the Gospel of salvation by faith and works. Men was told to have faith in the Church to get saved, and by penance (good work for the Church) God would (may be) save them. Luther saw all the corruption that this false gospel lead people into, and took a firm stand against this deception. Luther said: Salvation is all about mercy and grace, a free gift, not to be achieved by works of men. Man shall live by faith in the Jewish Messiah alone, and come to understand what He loves (and hates) by the scriptures alone, and keep the blood of Jesus, alone, as the act of righteousness that man shall be saved.
Rome tried to kill this man, and executed those who wanted to live by faith. They all refused to surrender to a false gospel, made up by corrupted men who tried (and tries) to build their own Earthly Kingdom.
Today Rome is so fare away from from truth, expressed by the late Pope, who promoted an universal gospel of works, thats includes other faiths in God`s plan of salvation. Thats Satanic. The logic is, that if you are a good human being, you shall be saved.
You have to make up your mind. Do you want to stand with this false, corrupt and apostate religious system?
I have chosen not. I will tell people the truth. And even if they try to stop me or kill me, I will put my trust in faith in Christ, The Jewish Messiah. Alone.
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We need to be aware of the signs that The Jewish Messiah foretold would take place just before His second coming. One of the signs are distribution of corrupted versions of the Bible. The exposure of Rome as responsible for printing and distribution of a «Bible» that includes verses from the Hindu mythology of the Vedas, would hopefully convince many Christians and non Christians that the teachers of Rome are false teachers.
Jesus lived about 2000 years ago. He never wrote a book, as far as we know. He taught, orally. They called Him “rabbi” which means “teacher.” He selected the Apostles and taught them His truths and commanded them to do likewise (Matt. 28:20). The Bible itself says that not all that Jesus said or did is IN the Bible. (John 21:25) Yet, Jesus commanded the Apostles (and their successors) to teach “ALL” that He had taught and shown them. If we compiled a document with every quote of Jesus in the New Testament, it would be only about 15 pages long and take about 90 minutes or less to read aloud. Protestants act like that is the sum total of Jesus’ earthy teaching is in the Bible, which is, interestingly enough, non-Biblical. Jesus taught far more than that. SOME of what He taught orally was eventually written down. That’s the New Testament. But the Church Jesus founded to spread His Truths didn’t get around to decided which writings belonged in the Bible till the fourth century at the Councils of Hippo (393 A.D.) and Carthage (397 A.D.). They had to literally go through over 300 documents, while praying to the Holy Spirit for guidance, to come up with the 27 we have in the New Testament today. If the Church was right then, it’s right now. We have THE deposit of faith handed on from Jesus to the Apostles, who handed it on to their successors, throughout the centuries. Furthermore, 1 Cor. 3:15 says that the CHURCH is the “pillar and foundation of truth.” Historically, this can only have been the Catholic Church since Protestantism didn’t begin till 1517 A.D. (The Orthodox split off in 1054 A.D., but remained an Apostolic church, having Apostolic Succession, unlike the Protestants.)
Protestantism protests against the Church founded by Christ, and the doctrines handed on to the Apostles and their successors, the bishops, claiming that they are “merely men.” Yet, they claim to correct Christ’s teachings and the authority to found a Church separate from the one founded by Jesus Christ, Himself! They are, in effect, making these men their own Popes. They also have two choices. They can claim that whoever started their denomination was infallible in doing so, or that they can be in error, which makes their denomination meaningless. Can’t have it both ways. If they claim infallibility, why wail about the Pope’s infallibility, when it can be shown in Scripture that the person holding the office of Peter is, indeed, infallible. Not by his own power, as Protestants do, but by the power of Christ.
Dear Veron.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You might be very zealous for the Pope, but you started your long Papal lecture with a lie.
You wrote:
Jesus lived about 2000 years ago. He never wrote a book, as far as we know. He taught, orally.
My reply:
The Bible is not a Catholic book. The Bible is Jewish, and the book is 3.000 years old. Jesus taught from the Torah in the synagogues. Jesus did not come to start a new religion, with Rome as its epicenter.
Mark 14:49
Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.”
Luke 4:21
He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
(end of scriptures)
There is no truth found in the Vatican. The Pope has falsified history, and made the scriptures null and void.
to be correct the Roman Catholic church was not formed until the time of Constantine. It was for political not spiritual reasons to unify Rome. Both he and those who formalized the Roman pagan religion under the guise of Christianity have a lot to answer for. Fortunately the revisionist historians haven’t got hold of this truth yet and changed it
Wow, you give a whole lot of arguments!
If I would be a catholic I would have cheered for you.
However, your words, as eloquent as they are, they only create a blanket of reasoning as to why you follow the pagan and fallen catholic church,
Well, you do have the right to do that, but, just because you think that way, it does not change the fact that the catholic church, is the whore of Babylon, and it is commanded to get out of her.
That being said, let me add that that statement was made for people who have ears to hear.
You, however, do not.
So I will live you alone to go on whoring with her, after all, prophecy must be fulfilled, and you sir, or madam….are the perfect example
Ivarfjeld,
The Bible is not a Jewish book. It is a book belonging to the People of God, the Church of the Old and New Covenants. It is a CHRISTIAN book, belonging to the believers in the Christ, or Messiah (Moshiach), including Old Testament Israel, and the New Testament Church. Judaism is a false religion which got its start with the Pharisees and only became finalized after the destruction of the Temple when the Pharisees’ successors, the Rabbis, compiled the Mishnah and the rest of the Talmud. Though it shares some scriptures, beliefs and themes with Christianity, Rabbinical Judaism is not the religion of the Old Testament Hebrew people… Christianity is the true continuation and fulfillment of Old Testament faith. All the Scriptures – the Law the Psalms and the Prophets – testify to Jesus Christ, the crucified and risen Lord. But Judaism has set at nought the Word of God, which it claims to prize so highly, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
It is not proper to call the Bible a Jewish book, unless you mean Jewish in the sense of true spiritual Judaism:
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which is to say, Christianity. If you mean that, okay. If you mean ethnic Jews or Rabbinical Judaism, Judaism as we know it today, you are gravely mistaken.
Many translations of the Bible are erroneous. This is the Church’s attempt to give the Bible meaning by putting it into terms a particular group can understand. It’s taking Jesus to the people in terms they can relate to. That doesn’t mean that the translation is the best, or for that matter correct.
hey stop it even when Jesus came he used the same verses in the bible and proved it to the people if these Roman Catholics cant prove their faith then its a clear indication that the lord is not with them.
Prove their faith? Ashley, that doesn’t even make sense.. its FAITH for a reason, there is no evidence… just text from man. What you believe is your faith… And I cannot believe how many non catholic religions obviously condemn Catholics, yet will simultaneously claim that god is the only one that shall judge man… does this logic makes sense? I am so glad Catholics are not taught to hate or judge another person or religion. You other non Catholics are so closed minded and hopped up on hate and superiority its ridicules! This site for you to Catholic bash is evidence of that. None of you are the real church of Christ… Christ loved everyone, even people in jail. The original biblical text was written in Ethiopian and was stolen and then translated by rich rulers and kings. The bible you take so literally today is literally cliff notes and fluff. Also, the arc of the covenant (Ten Commandments) is currently in Africa (not Jerusalem)… Returned to its rightful homeland after it was stolen by Italy during the days of Hitler… News Flash, Africa is our true home land… (NO I AM NOT BLACK, BUT IT’S FUNNY THAT YOU BELIEVE JESUS WAS WHITE!) Praise be to God, Please help your children realize that we are all family in your eyes God, Amen.
Sherwood: our faith is not intended to be *blind.*
“Prove all things,” we are told, & only hold onto the things which are good (1Thess 5:21)
God is indeed the only one who will condemn (in the person of the Son), however “judgement” in the sense of deciding is necessary to all.
If we cannot decide, we cannot be sure of our own salvation, & we have no right (or ability) to warn others that they’re heading for the second death, in the lake of fire & brimstone prepared for Satan & his angels. It would be grossly irresponsible to refuse to decide.
WRT condemnation, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Yes, English does suck!
Sherwood:
You wrote: I am so glad catholics are not taught to hate or judge another person or religion.
No, we are simply taught with so much pride that we are better than all other Christians & that we should never go to a non-catholic church & we should shun fellow Catholics who leave the Church & that our children should never have the freedom of religion & if u disagree with the Roman Catholic church just keep your mouth shut b/c you simply can’t go up against her scholars, priests & teachers of the law.
Kay
Dear David.
The Gospel is the same in any country. The cannon of the Bible was closed 1500 years ago. We do not have to alter the scriptures, to make people understand. The teaching of Jesus is so simple that even small children can understand, believe in Him and get saved. Both in the US, in Italy and in India.
Sacred Scripture is infallible on the topic of faith and morals. That is as far as Catholic teaching goes. Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit and useful for teaching the faith, not as a scientific or historical document!
Dear Veron
Shalom.
You wrote:
Scripture is inspired by the Holy Spirit and useful for teaching the faith, not as a scientific or historical document!
My reply
The Bible is the only valid historical document there is. It is the only source who tells us the truth about creation, The garden of Eden, the Fall, the flood and the origin of the Jewish tribes, through their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
The Papacy has branded the book of Genesis as “mythology”. The Pope is surely an anti-Christ walking on the Earth.
Ivar said:
The Bible is the only valid historical document there is. It is the only source who tells us the truth about creation, The garden of Eden, the Fall, the flood and the origin of the Jewish tribes, through their forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Amen to that!
The Chief Astronomer of the Vatican says Genesis is a myth and believes only ‘fundamentalists’ believe in it. Yes, he mocks the Word and then tells Catholics they can believe in space aliens and he would baptize them if he could:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/17/pope-astronomer-baptise-aliens
Rome did not produce this Bible.
You are right about the cannon of scripture, and that Jesus’ teaching was simple. So simple his apostles didn’t understand it. This is why they were given the Holy Spirit, to go into the world and explain Jesus’ teaching. Blessed Virgin Mary herself appears to innocent people looking like those she appears to. This is to give comfort to them. Jesus taught people in terms they could understand. Indians don’t understand the words the same as you might, and you probably don’t understand them the way I do. We use examples from our own experience to explain things in terms that we can understand.
A question: If the message of Jesus is so easily understood, why is there so much fighting and turmoil over what he means, and why are there now 35,000 Christian sects? Why is it that people cannot understand “Thou shall not kill” to mean that a baby in the mother’s womb is a human life and shouldn’t be killed?
Dear David.
There is only one mediator between man and God, and that is Jesus Christ. The Catholic «Blessed Virgin Mary» is not the Mary of the Bible. The mother of Jesus was a Jewish girl named Miriam. The mother of Jesus was a devoted Jewish women, who would never approve of any kind of idol worship, neither of saints, nor Madonnas. Second: This Jewish mother was not born without sin, and she was not «ever virgin». The Bible even gives us the names of the siblings of Jesus. This is only one example of the false teaching of the apostate Church of Rome, a result of hundreds of years of influence of pure paganism, introduced by ungodly popes.
To Ivarfjeld
but they never said if he was the oldest or youngest either if so show me
Alsteele,
These bible verses show that Jesus was the firstborn, and that he had siblings.
Luke 2 verse 4-7 So Joseph also went up from the town of Nazareth in Galilee to Judea, to Bethlehem the town of David, because he belonged to the house and line of David. 5 He went there to register with Mary, who was pledged to be married to him and was expecting a child. 6 While they were there, the time came for the baby to be born, 7 and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.
Matthew 12:46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him.
Matthew 13:55 Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t his mother’s name Mary, and aren’t his brothers James, Joseph, Simon and Judas?
If Mary had other children, why did Jesus entrust her to His disciple John on the cross? In Jewish society this would only be done if she had no other biological children to take care of her.
Stop your blasphemies against God and His holy mother!
Do you really think that Joseph, as a faithful Jew, would have dared to touch Mary in that way knowing that she had conceived God? that her womb was the Holy of Holies? Would he not have remembered what happened when Uzzah touched the Ark? Would he not have read Ezekiel?
Ezekiel 44:1-3 (KJV)
Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut. [2] Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord , the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. [3] It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord ; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.
Do you realize that even Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli affirmed the *perpetual virginity* of Mary? This is the only teaching consistent with the Scriptures and has always been the teaching of the Church from the beginning until the late Reformation. NOWHERE in the Bible does it refer to other sons of Mary. Only to Jesus’ brothers, which refers to Joseph’s children from a previous marriage (the Jews thought Jesus was ‘the carpenter’s son’).
BTW, as for ‘firstborn’, that was a term for the child that ‘opens the womb’; it doesn’t imply at all that Mary had a second or a third etc. Even an only child was revered to as the ‘first born’.
I suppose we will ignore Moses Law and Deuteronomy telling us that there is no mediator between man and God then?
In Jewish culture (old) Mara/Mary/Miriam was the NEW name given to an adulterous wife who had been presented as such to the high priest by the husband. The former would then conjur up a bitter drink which the allegedly guilty wife would have to drink up and this would make her belly swell up. The measure was that if she survived this potion, she was found faultless, if she died of it, she would be believed guilty, in any case the husband would be freed of her and the shame of her adulterous ways.
Jewish culture dictated the use of a new name to show change in the character of that person, just as Jacob became Israel, so on and so forth as many other examples are given throughout the scriptures. Mary was used in these circumstances, no coincidence she was named so and for certain she was no virgin.
Mary you will find means Bitter in fact http://www.meaning-of-names.com/english-names/mary.asp. In Italian amara also means bitter, deriving from the same root. It means bitter because of this explanation, not because of some other godly nature or because it just happened to be her name. You cannot simply steal the scriptures of an entire culture without knowing its practices and then say you know best and you understand more – the blind leads the bind, unfortunately and Christians will always be arrogant because they are brought up to hate Jews. All jealousy as far as I am concerned. I am a Sicilian who was raised Catholic and I know what I am saying! Catholics are arrogant criminals who practice witchcraft and disguise it as godly and are responsible for the most killing of innocents throughout history as part of their ritualistic necromancy/egyptian cult. Let those who have ears listen – the rest, silently confirm your hag status.
hi iam like too much
so you have testified yourself that the lord does not dwells in the catholic church for even u can see the turmoil all around and can see that the lord will is not being done Now and as for Mother Mary read Gal4:26 you will find out who is your mother.The holy spirit only descended upon the disciples so that they can preach boldly for they had the understanding but were afraid because no one was on their side.And its very much clear for we know what happend on the day of pentecost
so you have testified yourself that the lord does not dwells in the catholic church for even you can see the turmoil all around and can see that the lord will is not being done Now and as for Mother Mary read Gal4:26 you will find out who is your mother.The holy spirit only descended upon the disciples so that they can preach boldly for they had the understanding and knew everything but were waiting for the right time.And its very much clear for we know what happened on the day of Pentecost[Acts2] and it was also a fulfillment of the old testament [Joel 2:28]
Since you have an aversion to long posts teaching the truth, let me make it short and sweet. We know that the New Testament is concealed in the Old, and the Old Testament reveals the New. We know that Eve is a type of Mary. Eve was born sinless, Mary was likewise born sinless. We know that the Ark of the Covenant is a type of Mary. The Ark contained the Word of God, the Staff of Aaron, and manna from Heaven. Mary contained the Word mde flesh, the high priest, the bread of life. Mary = Miriam. The Ark was never defiled, neither the new Ark of the New Covenant could not be defiled.
Give me the names of Jesus’ siblings. There is no paganism in the true Church, the Catholic Church.
Wrong man is born in sin only Jesus was born through the holy spirit without any conception for both Joseph and Mary were virgin .
Dear Ashley.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
What I guess you are trying to tell, is that Joseph and Mary did not have sex. Mary was a virgin when Jesus was born. Later, as all married couples, they enjoyed sex. The Bible tells us the name of their Children. Jesus the Messiah was raised in normal family, the oldest of many siblings.
Ivar, you blaspheme.
Hello David,
it is difficult for Roman Catholics to communicate to others your views on Mary.
People are not obstinate or trying to pervert the truth of the church as you think.
But ideas about the Queen of Heaven, the goddess as eternal virgin yet mother, and madonna style images have been around for a long time. The OT prophets battled with the belief systems and condemned them.
They are now part of the RC system of thought and practice. Can you see why non-RC’s are apprehensive about it all?
Three years ago I visited the Constance Cathederal. With me were two Muslims. The older of the two just about choked when she saw the images and the crucifixes.
People who take the commandment literally: “Make no graven image” will always stuggle to come to terms with the RC’s use of images etc
It is God who specifically said in Exodus 20 verse 4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.”
To go against the Word of God, and continue to do what you think in your sinful mind is right; is a sin against God.
Gloria, that same God commanded Moses to make graven images of cherubim and to place them atop the Ark. Solomon added two 15 foot graven cherubim in the Temple. There were also images of lions, cherubim, pomegranates, etc.
The Church of Christ, that is, the Orthodox Church, has always affirmed the use of icons in worship, as part of our Incarnational faith. Luke the Evangelist painted the first icons.
To deny icons is to deny the Gospel.
Dear David.
This time you are not using the Bible to defend your faith.
The Mother of Jesus was born a sinner, since she like all of us inherited a sinful nature from Adam and Eve. Thats why Miriam had to go to the Temple and offer sin offerings.
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned.
1 John 1:8
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
I believe that the Mother of Jesus was a fantastic woman, chosen by God. But she was a human, not to be worshiped. Only the invisible God shall be worshiped, in Spirit and in truth.
The Catholic are not worshiped Mary but we are honour her, in bible Luck 1:45-49 the bible sea all generations shall call her blessed that is why we are Honour her and because she is the Mother of our Lord
We are born with a good nature. Hold any infant, look in his/her eyes, understand the unconditional nurturing that comes from that and we have undeniable proof that man is born good.
If the hags stopped messing with out world, we would not have representative evil to corrupt us with.
Funny enough, again, it is the Catholics who promote mortal sin in infants since birth and children are constantly down looked upon by Catholics, I suppose they need to discredit them early in case anyone decides to believe kids are good, they can tell the truth which can land some dirty priest in trouble and that they need protecting in fact. But Catholics are only interested in defending the Church, not the kids, I rest this off topic case!
It’s not just the Bible, you know? What did Christians use before there was a Bible? There were no Christian writings for at least 30 years, and the disciples spoke the gospel. So much of Christian faith is based on tradition and scripture, preached by the Apostles, who are the direct ancestors of the bishops, the Magisterium.
That said, in Luke, when the angel Gabriel speaks to Mary, he greets her with the title “full of grace”. This one bit of scripture shows that Mary was born free of sin by the grace of God.
Part of understanding Scripture is to understand context and meaning. Romans 3:23 and 5:12 cannot possibly mean “all” because there are clearly exceptions. A three-day old baby has no sin. Paul himself shows this exception in Romans 9:11. Jesus was also an exception. 1 John 1:8 refers to those of us who boast that we don’t do anything wrong. Mary was redeemed solely by God’s gift to her. She didn’t merit it, and she did nothing to earn it. God bestowed it on her.
Mary, or Miriam, didn’t have to go to the temple. She did so because she was an obedient daughter of God, and it was required that she do so and to present Him at the temple.
Dear David.
Grace means undeserved kindness. Lord Jesus has saved us by grace alone. We dont deserve to be saved. Neither can we gain, earn, work or win our salvation.
What did Christians use before there «was» a Bible?
Well, the first Jewish believers like Miriam was in fact never without a Bible.
They all read and taught from the same Bible as Jesus did. The Jewish Bible….
Take a fresh look at Paul. He did even quote more from the Bible (Hebrew scriptures) than His Lord.
Lord Jesus did not come to change the teachings of His Father. He and His Father are One. (John 10:30). See, O Israel. The Lord our God are One! (Mark 12:29)
The Messiah came to fulfill the Fathers will, to pay the perfect atonement for the sins of the whole World. Not to change a single letter of the Law or the Prophets.
Ivarfjeld so true
So christians you don’t suppose to eat pork and the Law have not change Sunday is not the Sabbath. Saturday is
Christ declared all foods clean.
The Law is spiritual, not carnal. It has not been abolished but *fulfilled* in Christ.
Saturday is the Sabbath, but Sunday is THE LORD’S DAY, the first day of the week, when Christians have always come together to hear the Word of God and to partake of the Body and Blood of Christ.
The true Sabbath is Christ, Who is our *daily bread*, giving us rest everyday of the week.
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Considering that everything was hand written, and the medium that was written on was very expensive, I don’t think Miriam actually owned a Bible. She was taught it by word of mouth. Same as Jesus…taught by word of mouth, and so did He teach.
Regarding Mary, or Miriam’s, grace, indeed it was undeserved. Exactly! But let’s look at the word..kecharitomene.. the perfect passive participle of ..charitoo.., meaning ‘to fill or endow with grace’. Since the term is in the perfect tense, it indicates that Mary was graced in the past but with continuing effects in the present. So, the grace Mary enjoyed was not just a result of the angel’s visit. It extended over her whole life-from conception, she was in a state of sanctifying grace.
The Church does not teach that she did anything to deserve this, other than to say “Fiat” to God’s call to her to submit to His will.
By the way, weren’t Adam and Eve also created without sin? By what merit?
Dear David.
Whatever Miriam was, she was Jewish. Jesus once walked into a synagogue and opened an expensive Torah scroll, read from the book of Isaiah and said:
Luke 4:21
and he began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”
The Jews was very devoted to their scriptures. Daniel was one of them, sitting in Babylon in 586 B.D and reading the book of Jeremiah:
Daniel 9:2
in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, understood from the Scriptures, according to the word of the LORD given to Jeremiah the prophet, that the desolation of Jerusalem would last seventy years.
What did Daniel read?
Jeremiah 25:11
This whole country will become a desolate wasteland, and these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.
Jesus was quit often challenging people for their lack of knowing the Bible:
Mark 12:10
Haven’t you read this scripture: ” ‘The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone.
Jesus pointed his finger of people, who did not read, not listen to what the scriptures said:
Mark 12:24
Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God?
I have to say the same to the Roman Catholics of today, who have rejected Sola scripture.
Martin Luther was right. Man shall have the Bible alone as their final authority, not the Papal bulls and Cannon law.
Dear David.
Adam and Eve was born with a sinful nature.
If they had not, they would not have listen to the Devil. When they sinned, God cursed his creation.
Genesis 3:17
To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat of it,’ “Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
Only in Christ, can this curse be lifted.
How?
Only the Son of man, Jesus, was born without a sinful nature. He never fell into sin, because He was God. God the Son, who came down from Heaven.
He came in flesh and became a perfect sin offering for us, so that we could be set free from our sins. Miriam understood this. She stopped slaughtering animals, stopped going to the Temple to offer their blood as a sin-offering. After Jesus had risen from the dead, she started to put her trust in the blood of Jesus. Alone.
This is the truth of the gospel.
Again you blaspheme. To claim that Adam and Eve were born (we’ll ignore for now the fact that they weren’t born at all, but directly created by God) sinful makes God the creator of evil. God saud that Adam and Eve were “very good”.
Read the Bible.
Adam and Eve were not born with sinful nature, they were born with free will. This is why they sinned. This is called Original Sin, and it is how sin entered the world.
My only point about Mary is that she knew scripture because it was taught to her, she didn’t read it.
Regarding Mary’s sinlessness, your scripture references are weak because there were obviously exceptions to Paul’s “all”. Because God wanted to be incarnated in the purest fashion, it stands to reason that by His grace, and her acceptance, He redeemed her at the moment of her birth.
Now, regarding Martin Luther, when did Jesus establish His Church? He did this at Caeserea Philippi when Peter, by the power of the Holy Spirit, recognized Jesus as the Messiah, and Jesus said “Upon this rock I will build my Church.” Notice he didn’t say Churches. There is to be only one Church, and he said that the gates of hell would not prevail against it. Meaning that, from that moment, there would be one Church that Christ founded, and it would be steadfast from that moment. There is only one truth, that’s the truth of Jesus. For 1500 years, that truth grew, and still grows today. Martin Luther didn’t have the authority to break off, yet he did. Scripture is inerrant and inspired, but only when interpreted in the light of the context it was written in. Those nearest Jesus had the guidance of the Holy Spirit to keep the Church on the narrow path. That authority was passed down by the apostles to their successors, who also received the gift of the Holy Spirit, and those successors exist to this day. Martin Luther was guilty of disobedience. While he was correct that the Church needed some reform (she always does because she is run by sinful men), he simply went about it the wrong way, let his ego get in the way, and fell out of communion with the one true Church that Christ founded.
Hi David, talked to any Greek Orthodox Christians lately?
They can use your argument also, and claim that Rome broke away from them.
If there is only one church, then is it the Orthodox Church?
Even though both Catholic and Orthodox are not together due political issues of the past. Both have recognized the forgiveness of what happened back then. In 1965, both Pope Paul VI and the Patriarch of Constantinople have forgiven each other at the end of the Second Vatican Council. And plus both Catholic and Orthodox are in dialogue with each other to soon find a way to reunite sometime in the future!
The Church is the Orthodox Church.
Dear David.
I have given you many Bible references of Miriam (Mary) being a sinner. Please use the Bible, and not human understanding, when you make your points.
If you want to keep on reasoning, I can give you a few more points to reflect on.
The Bible says that it is Eve that is our mother.
Genesis 3:20
Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.
If Eve is the mother of all the living, than this sinful woman is also Miriam`s mother. At least Miriam her self and all the Jews were told to believe so.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
If we all die in Adam, it includes Miriam. She had to give her life to Jesus, the Son of God. Because only in Him we can become alive.
When it come to Martin Luther, we can keep the debate going for weeks. Let me remind you that the first Church was Jewish. The 3000 people that came to faith on the day of Pentecost were all Jews. So much for the Apostolic origin of The Roman Catholic Church. The Roman papal system did not come into existence before after the first Church council in 325 A.D. Before that, Rome persecuted the Messianic believers in the Jewish Messiah.
The claim of Apostolic succession, as a justification of Rome, is a big lie.
Let me explain.
There has always existed a true Biblical Church outside of the limits of the Papal system. As an example. Rome did not control the Church of the East, which had its base in Assyria.
Paul was sent to minister to the gentiles in the Western Roman Empire, not Peter. He most likely went eastwards, and ministered to Jews in Parthia (todays Saudi Arabia and Iraq). The Bible confirms that Peter most likely wrote his first letter from Babylon.
1 Peter 5:13
She who is in Babylon, chosen together with you, sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.
Another example is the early Messianic movement in India. The Apostle Thomas preached the Gospel in India as early as 50-60 A.D. This Church also submitted to Church leaders in Assyria, the Church of the East.
Rome did not reach this coastline before 1498. A.D, with the Portuguese invasion of the Indian Ocean.
Even in Europe, there has always been Bible believing Christians who never submitted to the Pope in Rome. Many of them were Messianic Jews, who observed the original sabbath on Saturdays. A mortal sin according to the Pope in Rome.
Among these early Christians were the re-baptizers. They had to practice their faith with a death penalty hanging over their heads. Why? Because their were baptizing Catholics that came back to the Biblical Apostolic faith in the Jewish Messiah.
Martin Luther was a Roman Catholic priest, that found his way back to the same Apostolic Biblical faith.
I’ve already shown you that there are different meanings of all. Paul didn’t use it in the universal sense, because we see obvious exceptions. Children, and those with mental defects cannot sin for they have no reason. Jesus didn’t sin either. Elijah did not die, he was taken up, yet he was a sinner. Rather than get too long, I will email you the rest.
David,
It is wise to NOT assume children with mental defects have NO REASON and do not sin. This is untrue. And quite honestly offensive. You do not know what mental capabilities these people have behind a body that does not physically respond in a typical manner. Over & over, we see where people cannot verbally communicate yet once they have access to a computer, they communicate quite rationally & clearly.
Kay
David.
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1 Give the Pope a Litmus Test, for the True Bottom Line World View, by simply folding and cutting a piece of Paper.
Why all the Credibility for Counterfeit Christianity from the Very Beginning, 1 Cor 12: and the Body of Christ, there are No Popes, preachers teachers etc.
Lucifer is a Communist the End Justifies the Means, relgions corruption of the Truth, its about Relationship with the Father through the Son.
People amazed at all the scandals from the Roman Rule, government, not really the Church, the called out ones, individuals, Acts 15:14,
Beware Colossians 2:8,9
I ask you Ivar who was the first person to release or print bibles ??? Martin Luther or the Catholic Church ??? If you say Martin Luther you need to check with your history but if you say the Catholic Church then why do you condemn it ??? Remember the Apostles they never prosecuted the Jews neither did Paul speak ill about the Greeks or Romans remember and check with your history find out and ask who or which church in the world will have the original Gospels ??? check with your history the only church that was a missionary was the catholic church ……. The only church that brought out education was the catholic church …… the only church that follows every word from the scripture is the catholic church. Did God command you to criticize the Catholic Church ??? Did Christ condemn the Jews ??? Rather He Died for them. Would you die for the same Christ ??? Rather then condemning the Catholics here go show the love of Christ to the Muslims, Hindus and the rest…… Trust me you will see God in each one of the people you meet …. Martin Luther had the pride and broke himself from GOD’S BODY his church trust me you will see a church who is serving a church who is dying a church who walks with the people and would lay down her life for her members …… Think Brother May the Lord’s Spirit Guide You May His Light Shine On you Like The light was on Paul God Bless You
Dear Thomas.
Thanks for this comment, who was more a long list of questions.
You wrote:
. the only church that follows every word from the scripture is the catholic church.
My comment:
I will request you to take a deeper look at this blogg. You might find some articles that proves that what you are claiming is utter non sense.
The only Church which follows every word of the Bible *is* the Catholic Church: the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which is to say…
The Orthodox Church!
Not the heterodox Roman church based at the Vatican.
one word i will lie to add is Amen! Amen!!Amen may God Bless you too
Ah, the age old debate (well, about 500 year old, but I digress). Let’s look beyond the VERY easy book of James and skip right on down to the Book of Jude. Jude says several things in his book, including the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, the dispute between the archangel Michael and the devil of the body of Moses, and (my point of emphasis) the warning of the rebellion of Korah. Now what was the rebellion of Korah? Well, in the time of Moses, the tribe of Levi was selected to be a tribe of priests to offer sacrifices, etc. Korah says to Moses and the other priests, “You take too much upon yourselves, for all the congregation is holy, every one of them, and the Lord is among them. Why then do you exalt yourselves above the assembly of the Lord?” Interesting and valid point one would think, until God smites him. God had clearly set up the Levites to be the keepers of the Law of Israel, and any rebellion against them was a direct rebellion against God.
Now what could be the reason Jude mentions this? That was ancient history by this time. To be warned about following in the footsteps of a rebellion that rejected God’s authority through man had to mean there WAS God’s authority through man at the time. You cannot explain away these facts as, at least I’m pretty sure looking at about 5 versions of the Bible online right now including KJV, they are clearly rooted in the Bible.
Martin Luther rejected, though errant and corrupt at the time, the authority God had given just as Korah had. This time God did not smite him or any other Protestants. God reacted the same way (again, old school, or should I say, Old Testament) He did when the Israelites complained for meat. God gave them so much meat it spoiled and caused great sickness. God has given the Protestants what they want: “You want to split and make your own church? Sure, you can split, and split, and split, and…”
Dear Thomas.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Your comment:
God has given the Protestants what they want: “You want to split and make your own church? Sure, you can split, and split, and split, and…”
My reply.
You are wrong.
First of all I doubt that you know the original meaning of the Word «protestant». Its means those in Germany who rejected a Papal ban on reading of the Latin Bible, and demanded the Word of God in the German language. The Pope burnt Bible translators like Jan Hus, who wanted the public to be able to read the scripture, come to know the truth and be saved.
The «Protestants» like Jan Hus saved, saved, saved, and…..500 years ago Martin Luther exposed the Pope in Rome as an antichrist. That bold move saved the true Church, and forever separated true Christians from the false religious and corrupt systems of Rome. The Reformation marked the end of the darkness of the Middle Ages, and religious falsehood.
We will never go back to Rome. Like Jan Hus, we would rather depart for Heaven, that to go back into spiritual darkness promoted in Rome as the truth.
Why is there so many different Protestant Churches?
Because Jesus has people of many colors, creeds, cultures and languages. The Church I serve in is different from a Church in Uganda. The Uniformity of Rome make you all puppets of the father of all errors and lies.
Really? You took the word Protestant and formed a rebuttal? You probably took no look at the verses mentioned or even thought about them because if they do not fit into your preconceived notion of what ‘true church, is, then is all fine and dandy to ignore and not explore. If you can play devils advocate to your own beliefs, as I have for many years, and have them come away brighter than the sun, then it must be Truth. I delve more fully into every possible aspect of Faith in God every day because I want to know Him more. To know Truth is to know God who is Truth, and that Truth will set me free.
I undoubtedly, fully, and wholeheartedly reject your idea about the Protestant denominations. (From the root word ‘protest’. Yes, I do know what they were protesting. I would have too, but not like that.) They are NOT one in Christ, and do not even attempt to have me believe such. Baptists, who come from a belief system of John Calvin, do not believe in infant baptisms. Lutherans, who obviously come from the likeness of Martin Luther himself, do believe in infant baptisms. There is only one Truth, and baptism along with the institution of the Eucharist (which Martin Luther believed fully) are found in all four Gospels. Thus baptism must be important. So who is teaching in error (heresy)? Both cannot be correct on this important issue. “You must be born again of WATER and the HOLY SPIRIT.”
Now as James states “The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.” Jesus was the most righteous person up to that time and since. Did the Father not listen when His Son prayed? “Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are.” We are not one. Jesus did not fail to keep us one. God the Father did not fail to keep us one. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit, and the Spirit cannot fail. So it must be us. The disunity between members of your supposed ‘true church’ are far worse than I’m guessing you will admit (outside of the belief that Rome is wrong and/or total evil). Jesus didn’t pray “Let them agree to disagree”, but I may have missed that verse. Homosexuality (‘love is love, man or woman’), abortion (‘woman’s right to choose’), euthanasia (‘wouldn’t want to be in pain’), and others are perfect examples of issues that are both endorsed and condemned by churches that have all rejected the Antichrist of Rome and the puppet church it is. Yet they are far from one as the Father and Son are one. The Body of Christ is in major trouble if this is the unity it shows. I shall prove my faith by the Fruit it bears: patience, understanding, wisdom, love, etc…
Dear Thomas.
I believe in freedom of expression, and the freedom of religion. Even if you do not quote one Bible verse in your defense, I will not ex-communicate your political views from this site.
But I will request you to read the Bible studies on this site, and comment by given scriptures to defend your faith.
Whoever Jesus was, He quoted scriptures. Human made wisdom has no value. Its all rubbish.
I’m sorry, but your reply was Offensive! How dare you say I worshipped my dead grandfather’s spirit! Recognizing a love one passed, departed, and that that person loved you greatly is not worship–
I sincerely hope you learn to do something other than insult Catholics, fellow Christians and other human beings.
Dear Carolina.
Shalom, and thanks for this comment also:
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
The Word of God does convict all human beings of their war against the living God. We can find multiple excuses for not obeying, but non are valid.
Wow. You are really one dimensional in your thinking abilities. I feel bad for you. You are frightfully extreme and don’t understand respect vs worship.
I also have the feeling–that you hate Catholics–which already shows how little you are willing to understand them. So, I wish you peace–because this blog is not peaceful–nor is it a relection of a true faith and understanding of G-d.
reflection.
Sorry, but I can’t help but to notice that you write Shalom–and yet you also write out the name of G-d fully. Contradict yourself much? I’m sure I could quote some OT scripture verses about that….
Martin Luther didn’t go far enough with exposing the falseness of the Catholic Church. Martin Luther believed the false doctrine of infant baptism and real blood and flesh in the bread and wine. There might be other false doctrine he believed too. And as for John Calvin, he still believed in some of Catholics false doctrines, and he brought one of his own—the false doctrine of TULIP. We really have to be like the Bereans.
Acts 17:11 (New International Version)
Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
I want to take this time to thank you, again, and to tell you, Ivarjfeld, that you really help strenghten me in the truth.
Dear Victoria.
Shalom, and thanks for blessings me.
The story about Martin Luther is a huge topic. I am a Baptist preacher, and disagree with Luther both in baptism and in the understanding of the true meaning of the Jewish Passover (last supper). Let me add that the Jews in Egypt was not called to drink the Passover blood, but to apply it. In the same way we are called to apply the bread and wine we share in a supper meal in our daily life with Him. We share, and remember our King of Kings, who is the same Lord that took the Jews out of Egypt and finally payed with His blood for our sins at the cross at Calvary.
But I do acknowledge Luther as a Christian brother of mine. Saved by grace and mercy alone. I might even be a worse sinner than Him, and I know that I do not deserve the salvation I have received from Jesus of Nazareth.
The Church the Ecclesia the called out ones Acts 15:14 then were identified by the areas they lived in, be it Rome, Corinth, Philippi, etc.
Denominations entering at a much later date, Christians trying to stay in the middle of the road doctrinally. Now to the Non Denominational, Acts 11:26 being Christian.
No Popes in the Body of Christ I Corinthians 12:1- 13:
Dear brother.
Thanks for this comments, that brings more light to this issue.
Let me remind my readers, that even the Catholic World is «divided», or better explained «not uniformed». The first division came 1500 years ago, when the Assyrian Church of the East rejected that there should be a supreme Pope ruling over the Church.
There was also a split already 1000 years ago, when the Roman Church was divided East and West. The issue was again the governing system with a Pope, and a disagreement on venerating, adoring, worship of Idols.
The Catholic Church of the Eastern Roman Empire rejected the Pope of Rome as heretic, for promoting idols of stone and wood.
So, where is the truth of Martin Luther dividing the only true and united Church of Rome?
This claim by Roman Catholic bishops is another blunt lie.
Keep posting the truth it will help a lot of people.Believers and non-believers alike..and i will continue 2 promote ur posts and ur website , if u dnt mind… blessings in Jesus’ name..xoxo
Dear Michj
Shalom, and welcome to this site. This kind of comments will keep me blogging. May Jesus the Messiah bless you with all kinds of Heavenly blessings. Amen.
There is little doubt the ROMAN catholic church emphasis on the ROman they’d appreciate it too. There is little doubt they are perverse however doing any more than attempting to shine light on the followers that may be able to be saved would be putting too much focus on the Roman church and this then would not be a likely target for an anti christ if you are hoping to find the anti christ you will not the anti christ is of lucifer and Lucifer is not stupid nor will he make himself known until the end. All we can do is shed a little light and truth try to steer people away from what may hurt them but attemting to destory this church will only change satans plan. We cannot pin point the antichrist or heritics we can only follow the light of truth and what we know to be good. In a christian faith there are 7 deadly sins 10 commandments and 7 virtues. Any one that follows them but not zealously to the point where they are doing more harm than good will be saved. The ground work is there people it isn’t that complicated.
Dear March
You wrote:
We cannot pin point the antichrist or heritics we can only follow the light of truth and what we know to be good.
My comment:
This might be your personal views, but its is not the truth.
Matthew 15:12-15
Then the disciples came to him and asked, “Do you know that the Pharisees were offended when they heard this?”
He replied, “Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.
Why did Jesus tell us to leave them? Why did He tell us to watch out for false Messiah`s, teachers and prophets? Did Jesus not tell Peter to look after the flock?
In Luke comes a direct warning, and a clear instruction:
Luke 21:8
He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.
Just because teh FAther the son and the Holy spirit, if you believe in the Trinity, are in tact does not mean that at this very moment the antichrist the false prophet and lucifer are not as well. Though they are more elusive then everyone wants to think. Sure it would be romantic if pinpointing the antichrist and false prophit like you are a Lion and claim Jesus’s powers…however that’s not the way it works sorry. Lucifer is not an idiot and if you think he is you have got something else comming. Trying to find him will only get you following him blaming a church for being heretical will only make you heretical. Claiming Jesus as your own and not keeping an open mind will lead you to satan. No matter what your sect of belief in christ. Sometimes it is neccessary to have seperate churches to keep teh faithfull safe from the Eye. The eye is older than the Egyptians and it is something to fear. Not the eye on the money thats not what i’m talking about. It’s the all seeing eye of satan and it will try to control and use and decieve in any way it sees. WHile you argue it sees everything and plans another plot.
Dear March
Shalom, and welcome to this site:
You wrote:
Just because the Father the son and the Holy spirit, if you believe in the Trinity, are in tact does not mean that at this very moment the antichrist the false prophet and lucifer are not as well.
My comment;
This is a very fleshy comment. If you are a Christian, I would like to use Bible verses to explain your points.
I genuflected in REVERENCE of the SPIRIT of my grandfather at his viewing–so was I worshiping my dead grandfather?
Talk about a lack of understanding on your part.
Dear Carolina.
Shalom, and tanks for this comment:
Isaiah 19:3
The Egyptians will lose heart, and I will bring their plans to nothing; they will consult the idols and the spirits of the dead, the mediums and the spiritists.
If your grandfather was saved, He would not like you to revere his departed spirit. He would have advised you to only revere the living God.
The Egyptians and other pagans will not listen.
It is called paying respects–
I went back and re-read many of your posts and have determined that you need help. Maybe you should see someone about your obsession with the “word” of G-d because you don’t understand context, basic concepts on sin and the like. You constantly put things into two categories: evil and pure. This is not healthy.
I sincrely hope you find peace and happiness. Hating pagans, Catholics, Muslims and everyone perhaps Jews is not going to bring you closer to G-d-no matter if you are a Jew or a Christian/Jew variant.
Please don’t be offended as I mean no offense, but I just noticed some key signs that are not healthy here, and I truly wish you the best.
Though you thrive on testing the patience of believers who happen upon your site-I will not write you again.
I am not impatient with you. Rather, I have fully realized your ability to reason, and, in truth, I would not be acting in good charity to consider this matter further with you–as you are ill with free-will chosen hate and vitriol.
Peace be with you–seriously-I hope you find something peaceful to write about and to focus on.
Dear Carolina.
Shalom
I hope no one forced you to visit this site, and that you will not be forced to stay away. Anyhow. Jesus loves a repented sinner.
I do not mind being called a lot of things. But If I use the Word of God incorrectly, please use the Word of God to correct me.
The pictures of Catholic idol worship, of skulls and dead bodies may have offended you. May they give you goodly tears, and bring you to the saving grace of our Lord, Master av Savior Jesus of Nazareth. Amen.
Hi, Ivarfjeld,
No, I wasn’t forced to your site-no worries. I saw a title and clicked it–but I didn’t know your whole site was dedicated to being anti-Catholic until later.
At first,I have to admit-I was creeped out by the fact that Catholics respect relics of saints. I mean. I have a thing about dead bodies myself.
It wasn’t until later, during a ten year study period of studying Catholicism, that I learned that they do not worship the saints–they just respect them and honor them. We don’t pray to bones to help us in other words. We don’t think G-d is in the bones or that the spirit is there–they are bodily reminders of holy people who walked the earth.
I am a Catholic who was baptized as an adult. I don’t really know that I can say I converted as I didn’t convert from another religion.
I spent many years studying and discerning if being Catholic fit my belief system–once I decided that it did–I went through the process of becoming Catholic.
Anyway–I just wanted to follow up. I was offended, but I realized–you are just stating your opinion on what you see with your eyes.
Peace be with you and Happy New Year!
Dear Carolina.
Shalom, and welcome back.
I also wish you a happy new Year.
I hope that in your baptism you were buried with the Messiah, and risen to follow Him.
Dear Carolina.
Thanks a lot for this comment. Really.
I was a non-believing but practicing Catholic for many years. When Jesus saved me, and I started to read the Bible, I came to the opposite conclusion of yours. Thats why I would like you to correct me using the Word of God.
Dear sister. People have the right to have a public opinion about who God is, and they can even create their own religion and believe what ever they like. But the truth about man and God is found in the Bible.
Yes, I do make statements about what I see. A Pope bowing down to a skull, and devoted Catholics kissing idols of stone and wood needs to be addressed by Christians. Regardless of what Catholics might say, and whatever man maid explanation they might give, this is sin against the second commandment. The moment you say this is sin, you will be set free from the slavery of sin. The moment you promote this as loved and accepted by God, you make God of the Bible a liar.
Thanks, Ivarfjeld,
It is okay. I think we all go through spiritual journeys and when we do so with a pure heart (meaning that we just want to be near G-d and his grace) that we end up in the right place.
I used to focus on all the laws and things–that is why I mentioned that.
What I realized is that maybe G-d had so many laws to show us that we will always be imperfect and to accept that–and in that imperfection we will be made perfect (humble heart).
I have no doubt that you are truly concerned about your causes, and I hope you find a Happy New Year around the corner. Sorry if that is corny, but I rather like the thought of a New Year–a new beginning–a new life-time.
I was very ill last year and I realized something–that Jesus died and sacrificed for all of my sins so I could be happy. But the catch–I had to choose to accept his gift of peace. And that was hard because we are all tempted to feel despair and frustration from time to time.
G-d bless you:)
Dear Carolina.
Return to sender: Love and grace.
The Law was given us by God for our own best. It was meant to educate us about sin. We have to admit with King David, that the law is good and flawless. The great Jewish king was not saved by the Law, but found peace with God in repentance, and was saved by His mercy and grace.
Thanks, Ivarfjeld,
That is very kind of you. I agree–the law helps us learn how to repent and to know when we have strayed.
Hi Caroline
this is not a anti catholic site but it says Rev 18v
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
thats one of the reasons the catchism of the catholic church teaches 9 commandments instead of 10 I know all people who go to any church or temple or mosque etc have good intentions but will those good intentions help u cross the line ,another thing in Hosea 4 v6 Yahweh says
6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy Elohim, I will also forget thy children.
The new year is in Ex12
1 And the Yahweh spake unto Moses and Aaron in the land of Egypt saying,
2 This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
very soon u will be celebrating What Yahweh hates Christmas tree Jeremiah
Chapter 10
1 Hear ye the word which Yahweh speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
2 Thus saith Yahweh, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
I think this is enough for now Shalom Des
5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
I just would like to point out that Catholics say they “venerate” the Pope, Saints, and relics and “not worship.” How do Catholics ignore the fact that ‘venerate’ and ‘worship’ and even’revere’ are all closely related words, even called synonyms? Peter told Cornelius to “Stand up” when he fell at his feet in ‘reverence’to Peter, but the Pope likes people to kiss his feet. I would like Catholics to see the light. We are not suppose to even just “venerate” the dead’s remains, and other relics.
Acts 10:25-26 (New International Version)
25As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
Dear Victoria.
Shalom, happy new year, and blessings.
Neither most Christians not Catholics knows the original meaning of the word «Worship». Because it is a constructed word. It means «Worth ship», or worthy of being revered.
People of the Bible bowed down, fell on their face, even kissed the feet of the Lord, when they faced Him. They knew that
He, and only He is worthy of such an act of respect.
Adoration or veneration is an act of respect that belongs to the living God, only. Moral men do not deserve this. When we adore, venerate or worth ship created beings, or idols of stone and wood, we sin.
Boy then I feel sorry for all the jews who lived when durning the exile. I mean they carried Abraham’s bones with them out of Egypt. think of that they had his bones for years and years. It meant so much to them that they rest in the promise land. YOu think those bones were not taken care of? Venerated becasue he was the father of a Nation? Come on man, dont be so shallow to think the Catholics worship anything body ( spirit really ) then God all Mighty. these are pointless comments. I pray one day the Lord brings you to the Fulness of Truth.
God Bless you Brother
Dear Scott.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
You wrote:
I mean they carried Abraham’s bones with them out of Egypt. think of that they had his bones for years and years.
My reply:
Have you ever seen the bones of Abraham put for display, like Romes does with their “holy bones”?
The bones of Abraham was not carried out of Egypt. I think you mixed this up with the bones of Jacob. Anyhow: The bones of the Patriarch’s was carried to the Promised Land, to be buried. Like a man that dies in New York, might have told His family to bury him in Denver.
Scott, who ever you are: You can continue to support the wicked and corrupt religious system of the Vatican. You might get famous, and appear on Catholic TV. But in the end, you will loose everything.
the spirit of truth will be with you forever.and it will lead you to all truth concerning me and my father.go therefore teach and baptize in the name of the father and of the son and the holy ghost to all the nations of world teach them all that i have commanded you to and lo and behold i am with you all the days even to the end of time.how about st paul i should not be called an appostle because i onced tried to destroy the church of the living god,which protestent church is st paul reffering to in the first century if protestents only morphed from a catholic book in the 16 century.here is another one for you bible twister all generations shall call me blessed.
Dear Boonz
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Frankly, I did not understand your point. Can you please explain to me?
You wrote:
if protestents only morphed from a catholic book in the 16 century.
My reply.
What ever the Bible might be. It is not a Catholic book. Rome banned people from having Bibles, and killed people who translated the scriptures into understandable languages other than Latin and greek.
I’m glad to see you take a stand. I was raised in the Catholic church, infant baptism and so on. I had a knowledge of God but I didn’t really know Him. I knew about Him, as in having information.
I was invited to a Christian service and went, not looking for religion, but out of curiosity. That was the day I got saved and really knew Jesus and His redeeming, life changing power. Praise God for that! Thank the Lord, I really knew Him.
I can testify that the Catholic church is a religion, a false religion, founded on shifting sand. I agree with you and encourage you in your stand. God has people in there and pleads with them.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
:Come out of her, my people”
I’ll pray for you to have wisdom and patience to deal with the Catholics that comment here.
Num 6:24 The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
Num 6:25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
Num 6:26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.
Dear Dave.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Thanks for this comment. I have a lot of Roman Catholic friends, and I love them. But like Jesus I hate sin, and I am challenging people around me to study the Bible. When Catholics read the Bible they get only three options. Either the Bible tells the truth, or their priests. The last option is to live a life as a hypocrite.
For the sake of «peace» and fear of men, the Catholics chose to the serve the devil rather than the living God.
I agree. I didn’t mean to leave the impression that there are some Catholics that are worshiping the Lord in spirit and in truth. I meant that the Lord has people there that will eventually be led out by the Spirit and be born again of the Spirit and serve God in truth.
Sorry if I left the wrong impression.
Praise God.
Dave. Amen to this.
I enjoyed some of the posts here..but the pictures of the dead bodies is ‘pure sick’! I hope they will help some who are being led out of that deceptive belief and bondage. Also if anyone reads the Scriptures they will see where Jesus’ Mother and brothers and sisters are listed that she had other children after he was born.. but those who don’t want the truth will argue with God also! Catholicism is a dead faith and history shows us they have followed Satan’s plans from their conception.
Andrea, posting pic’s of the dead that are paid homage to in public, is a great way to expose the deeds of the Catholic religion.
What’s sick about it? Are you writing Rome to stop having these bodies put on display?
this site is awesome. I guess it takes being an ex-Catholic to really appreciate everything that is done on this site. I am an ex-Catholic!
May the Lord bring many Catholics out of bondage through the ministry of ivarfjeld.
Dear Laura.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
Thanks for this comment. I pray that a Jew named Jesus will hold your hands, and keep on leading you till the very end of this age. The Messiah will soon return to rapture His Church. What will be left behind, will become completely rotten and evil. May every Catholic repent today, and escape the coming wrath of God. There is on other way that Jesus the Messiah.
Behold all Jews in the World. The final «peace plan» will be the final trap. Behold, in the midst of darkness the Messiah will return to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem. Than all of Israel shall be saved, and all her enemies perish.
To Laura::: I believe you misunderstood Andrea’s comment about the pic’s being “pure sick”. She was not referring to Ivar being “sick” for posting them.
Hats off to Ivar for preaching the Truth according to Scripture.
I am ex-catholic, saved by the Blood of The Lamb.
There is only one thing to be said of a mind such as this: You absolute nutter.
Ivar, could use you over in my neck of the woods.
Hi Ivar. I think you will appreciate this article.
Peace and Joy in Him
Sue
http://www.pro-gospel.org/x2/pdf/Vol.19No.3.pdf
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Hi Ivar,
Need ya at my blog again bro.
Do u know who is the antichrist??????
I just stumbled onto this blog…There are so many wrong assumptions, lies, and propaganda about the Catholic Church (The One, the Only, the ORIGINAL) it just makes my head hurt. I’m so sorry you believe all these lies and even sorrier you can’t simply read a Catholic-to-Protestant question and answer book (of which there are MANY) to set you straight. The real way to tell which is the true Church is to see how violently it is protested against and attacked. Christians get it bad from the secular world; Catholics get it worst and from all sides.
Jeanne6x
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
I am blessed by your comment. This site will challenge your support of the Roman Catholic Church. Please navigate, read, pray and let me know more about what you think.
This site shows me you are searching for truth! If you read the acts of the Apostals and Hebrews I think you may find what you are looking for! If not try this site: http://www.cathoilcbible101.com
Remember one ( out of thousands) fact Jesus Christ only told one person ( Peter ) that he would be his NEW church and he would have the keys to Heaven!
Please understand my Jewish friend Jesus was the savior you people were waiting for. He is your hope of salvation and truth. He is the fulfillment of the Old testament.
Ill pray for you !
God Bless you
“The world trade center was destroyed by muslims in the name of their religion.” – A lot of horrible things have been done “in the name of” Christianity, too. So we shouldn’t have Churches, right? THESE people do not agree that that the 9/11 attacks were done in the name of Islam, so why punish them because OTHER people said
9/11 is an inside job see the protest going on in the U S seeking the truth go on this site (what really happened) u wiil find some good evidence
Shalom
People should read the book “The Two Babylons” by Alexander Hislop who exposes the pagan Roman Catholic church.
Good job. I wish to give you this knowledge because you provided me with the knowledge here especially the papacy moving to Jerusalem article. Remember the puzzle is not complete yet. Here is some special knowledge i was given the means to access. Its not fully complete nor is it flawless, yet it is Thought Provoking. Remember someone once said “The problems we face cannot be solved by the same kind of thinking that created them.” here is the knowledge and its was not acquired by normal level of thinking.
http://tinyurl.com/2v94qlo
respect my religion, fanatics!
Eric,
As it always will for eternity, God’s words are the truth.
Exodus 20:1-15 And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
Peace be with You,
Veneration of Saints and Incorputables is a form of honor, not a pagan practice. They are considered first class relics and the annoited ones of Jesus. They are treated with extreme care as the are sacred artifacts. Please read more on relics, incorputables and sacred items to gain understanding.
Annointing is “confired” not self-declared and Jesus confired it to the Apostles who in turn confered it within the hierachy of the RC Church. It is the true church as Jesus does not make mistakes and promised to keep His church free from error.
You critisize what you do not understand.
God Bless.
Dear Dawna
If u read Heb 7 there u will read that there is no more priest hood only a living High Priest n its Master Yahshua n there is no more sacrifice for sin n remember the gentiles only sacrificed to demons 1cor 10v20 n today the same thing sacrifices on the alter making it the flesh of Messiah actually we become one Body not eat His Body.Its a counterfeit Constantines christianity n the jesus u worship is none other than tamuz in Ezk 8 .
You make pancakes to the queen of heaven in Jer 7 this queen existed before Mary was born If Mary (Mariam) was living she would be in tears ,this is semeramis the wife of nimrod n she claimed to have a miracle baby , what u see that woman carrying
n its right on top, satan desired worship n he’s getting it,in Rev 12 v9 satan has deceived the whole world only scroptures will open your eyes.
Yahshua was sacrificed on the 14 of Abib in the sacred calender our passover Lamb 1cor5v7 how come it falls on the 6th day (friday) n He was in the toumb (did not go down to the dead as u say the creed )n He said He would be there 3 days n 3 nights that was the sign He gave in Mt 12v40 .Its very difficuilt to accept that we r wrong only by repenting n His Grace its possible as all have sinned .
what name were u baptised was it titles or name Peter Baptised in the Name YAHSHUA HA MASCHIAH Read acts 2 v 38.
Jn 5v 43 I come in my Fathers Name
Jn 14v26 The HOLY SPIRIT the Comforter in my Name thats the reason Peter Baptises in NAME Yahsua
YAH -Father
Shua-save
(Father Saves)
Shalom .
Well said! I wish all people would look at where the Holy bible came from first, then comment on the RCC. Truth is so beautiful, but what I am coming to understand is that the world , and some so-called christians alike are not interested in the truth. Rather , they are only conceren with what is relative to their life , their existance and their own desires.
Thankyou for speaking the truth!
God Bless you
It is funny to me that y0u twist what catholics believe about veneration( is a special act of honoring a saint) verus worship of All Mighty God. Remember one fact my friend : the very bible you have the privledge to quote from was all voted on into canon as Sacred Scripturein the fourth century by the Roman Catholic Church: so if the RCC voted and established what books were even allowed inthe Bible , why would we be wrong on what are doing in terms of our life towards Christ and the unity of the Holy Spirit throughout the world. Please reflect on this truth : or http://www.catholicbible101.com
God bless you
Scott
Dear Scott.
Shalom.
You wrote:
Remember one fact my friend : the very bible you have the privledge to quote from was all voted on into canon as Sacred Scripturein the fourth century by the Roman Catholic Church:
My reply:
This is a common misunderstanding among Roman Catholics. That the Pope ever have had anything to do with the Hebrew Bible. Let me remind you that the Bible is a 3.000 year old book, and that Jesus quoted from the Bible (Torah scrolls) when he taught in Synagogues.
In the first 300 years of Christianity, the Jewish believers of Jesus taught the gospel from Hebrew and Greek scriptures. First in 325 A.D, the Church was lead astray into paganism by the Papacy.
The present Vatican approved Latin Bible is also a falsehood. It includes pagan books in the Old Testament, that was rejected by the Church Fathers, and not included in the New testament Biblical cannon closed around 400 A.D. There were multiple Bishops joining this process from Synods that did not accept the supremacy of the Bishop of Rome.
The Papacy became a religious dictatorship from 500 A.D onwards.
For 1000 years there was a ban by the Pope, for Christians to even have a Bible. The “Holy Scripture” could only be read by Roman clergy, and the law of the Bible was gradually replaced by the Cannon Law.
Today the Roman Catholic Religion has become a religion of its own, totally disconnected from the truth found in the Bible. What the RCC teach is a blunt perversion of the Gospel, with the RCC mass it self being utter blasphemy and sin against the living God.
This is the truth.
The Roman Catholic’s are so brainwashed from childhood it takes an act of God (Father,Son, and Holy Spirit) to deliver them from such a powerful lie. Remember Jesus said no one comes to me unless the Father draws them. God is sovereign over all.
Dear ivarfjeld, No doubt, you do serve our dear lord in spirit and truth, may God use you further to forward HIS true message as there is very little time left. My reason for writing this, as a brother in Christ, is to put you in touth with a Jew Jesus has saved and the Lord uses him with great power and Biblical wisdom. We optain Briliant Light from his work, a 11 pce video set “eschatology”, it strongly lifts out the evils of present time, (incl the Roman church) and end events in progress. Start off with: http://www.hebronchurch.org/ his name; David Nathan. May our Dear Lord lift you up to very high ground in his, AMEN
Hi Ivor, apologies, I’ve got the w/site wrong for getting to David Nathan, is; http://www.hebronchurch.co.za/
On this site one can listen to the Eschatology series, should one order the DVD set it open up further, as there are hundreds of pictures to view.
1.13 Billion Catholics worldwide.
13.4 Million Jews.
Seem like the Jewish ‘religion’ is some sort of sect in comparison.
Dear Hughie
Shalom.
You wrote:
Seem like the Jewish ‘religion’ is some sort of sect in comparison.
My reply:
The number game is a lie. Hell will be overpopulated. Jesus explain, that He will not let many enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The large majority of humans will reject Him. Like the Pope, and all papists.
What a bunch of rubbish. Jews, Christians and Muslims are ALL murdering inbred barbarians. They have killed Billions in the name of their disgusting leaders, prophets and saints. ALL of you need to GO. You are the worst most horrible evil and a stain on humanity. Down with your temples, burn your books wipe away your memory… GOD BLESS THE FREE, GOD BLESS THE INNOCENT!
Mary was NOT BORN SINLESS LIKE EVE… Mary was a human being born under the original sin and curse of Eve… She needed to be saved by the blood sacrfice of Jesus just like every human being… She was shown in the Upper Room receiving the Holy Ghost also….
The Catholic Church does know how to invent religious lies, turn away and follow Jesus.
Jesus is the only Way, Truth and Life. He has no sub-contractors in spiritual matters like Mary. Because of His omnscience–knowing everything at all times, He hears and answers all our prayers.
Because of Jesus’ attribute of Immensity His Presence and abilities are measureless.
Exit–Mary. Her ministry is over after she as a humble, Jewish maiden delivered Jesus as our Savior and Lord.
Yes, Jesus love Mary His mother and we do too, but we do not elevate her as the fourth Person of the Triune Godhead.
Pastor–Dr. Berrian, Th.D. & Ph.D.
Berrian’s quote:
Jesus is the only Way, Truth and Life. He has no sub-contractors in spiritual matters like Mary. Because of His omnscience–knowing everything at all times, He hears and answers all our prayers.
Because of Jesus’ attribute of Immensity His Presence and abilities are measureless.
Exit–Mary. Her ministry is over after she as a humble, Jewish maiden delivered Jesus as our Savior and Lord.
Yes, Jesus love Mary His mother and we do too, but we do not elevate her as the fourth Person of the Triune Godhead.
Pastor–Dr. Berrian, Th.D. & Ph.D.’ unquote
I have to say that I especially loved this:
‘He has no sub-contractors in spiritual matters like Mary.’
Catholicism treats Mary like a goddess or a spiritual sub-contractor at least.
too bad Catholics are so against God being totally sufficiently able to do all the work of redeeming His sheep. They detract from His All Mightyness by needing to promote Mary, praying to bones, promoting penance and purgatory etc.
I praise God for opening my eyes and saving me from my sins and the consequences of my sins. He did it. And He did the whole job without anything within me giving Him any help.
He is Sovereign and Almighty! Always!
Nearly ever Catholic thinks Mary was Roman Catholic.
Mary in fact was a humble, virgin teenage Jewish girl who gave to us our Savior.
Mary was of Jewish lineage and did not come to us out of some Roman Catholic cathedral.
Dr. Berrian
I don’t think you have spent much time outside the confines of your securely held prejudice. Catholics have been around for over 2,000 years, credit them with a flickr of intelligence. Someone must have understood [long before the 16th century] that it is idiotic to ‘adore’ pictures, even religious ones. That you choose to perpetuate an untruth is rather unbecoming of you. However, consider this. When Pope Benedict 16th visited Great Britain last year, he also bowed to the Queen. Now do you THINK he was adoring the Queen?
Follow your logic to the end and see what untenable positions you come up with: in bowing to her, The Pope was either ‘adoring’ her or he was not. So which is it to be?
Dear Joseph.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
There is no “Queen of Heaven”. This is a name, that God of the Bible has banned his children from using.
Jeremiah 7:18
The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger.
So if you want to be a child of God, you have to leave the Papacy alone.
Matthew 15:14
Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
Hi Ivar,
Peace to you too. Back to “Queen of Heaven”. You are quite mistaken: there is a Queen of Heaven and is found in Revelation 12:1 “a woman clothed with the sun… 12 stars for a crown”.
Now Ivar, that sure sounds to me like a Queen.
But Please don’t say the term “Queen of Heaven” is not mentioned, because then you are only becoming a ‘niggler’ and not a truth seeker. It would be like saying: “The Postman” is not mentioned in Scripture, because the Bible only says “the Man of Post”.
The papists see in the woman “crowned with 12 stars”, who is pregnant with a male-child and about to give birth as BOTH the promised seed coming from Israel [that seed mentioned in Genesis 3:15] and the Virgin Mother of Christ. It is her seed who will crush the head of satan.
Ivar you are making a classic biblical error, namely, because PAGAN goddesses and queens were consistently condemned in the Old Testament, it must follow that all queens are equally condemned in the New Testament. Hebrew scholars now feel that Queen Astarte mentioned so often in the Bible is a deliberate conflation of the Greek name Astarte and the Hebrew word boshet, “shame,” indicating the Hebrews’ contempt for her cult.
You now have to explain to me the meaning of Revelation 12:1. I will be reading your reply quite closely. Shalom
If I recall properly, the English word “worship” comes from the two English words “worth” and “ship” meaning, to give “worth” to something. So, technically speaking, if we give “worth” to anything, we are “worshiping” it. The Church uses the Latin terms, though, so there’s not nearly the confusion as with English. The “worship” that we owe only to God is called “latria.” The honor we give to the Saints is called “dulia.” And the special honor we give to Mary is called “hyperdulia.”
Any Catholic who worships mary is an idolater and heretic as worship (latria) is due only to the Lord. However proper veneration (dulia) of Mary as the highest amongst the saints is acceptable. This is not worshipping Mary it is merely acknowledgement and due respect of Mary as a holy and blessed person in the life of the Church .
Now lets make it clear that Mary is inferior to Christ (that is less important) as she is human, whereas Christ is both fully man and fully God and through his sacrifice atoned for our sins. I don;t doubt for a second that there are some so-called catholics particularly from rural latin-america who have fallen into actually worshipping mary due to a perverse syncretism of christianity and paganism, but this is abject heresy (ie like the “sancta muerte’ cult) and not the norm of the Church. In the orthodox Catholic view Mary is NOT more important than Christ our Lord and any catholic who falls into the abomination of worshipping her is not in good standing with the Church.
Reply to Dr Berrian.
“Nearly ever Catholic thinks Mary was Roman Catholic”
This is quite extraordinary as a sweeping statement, and it would be quite easy to disprove it. However, I don’t think I want to waste my time disproving a groundless statement. The more alarming thing is that the assertion is touted as ‘truth’. Perhaps Dr Berrian would be closer to the Gospel if he asserted that “Nearly every Catholic thinks Mary is their mother”. Are you able to concede that Mary, chosen as the Mother of God, is also mother of Evangelicals? But before you answer the latter, do you accept the former: namely: Mary is “the mother of God”?
Veneration of relics is actually scriptural, believe it or not!
In 2 Kings 13, the bones of Elisha restore a man to life.
In Acts 19, people were restored to health by touching scraps of cloth that had been in the pesession of St. Paul.
In Matthew 9 and 14, people is healed by touching the fringe of Jesus’ robe.
And for the Record, the Catholic faith is founded on a person, the person of Jesus Christ, and to state otherwise is either sheer ignorance of Catholicism or malicious bigotry.
Carl,
Veneration of relics is not at all scriptual. Catholics use that verse thinking that it was the bones that restored a man to life. It is God who is behind everything. Man can’t do anything. It is God who caused the man to come to life and stand on his feet.
God tells us in Exodus 20:1-15 And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
That’s pretty clear to me.
The Catholic faith seems to circle around the pope, and that is wrong because he is a sinner like you and me who needs to repent.
Dear Carl.
Shalom, and welcome to this site.
If the bones of the dead are holy, go to the grave yard today, and take your grand father home. Keep his bones on display on the table in your living room, bow down and kiss them.
I guess that is exactly what many demonized priest if the Vatican religion have done.
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/category/vatican-skulls-and-bones/
Jesus never worshiped the bones of Abraham and Moses. The Messiah told us to do the radical opposite, in regards to where and how we should pray.
Matthew 6:6
But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
The story about the bones of Elisha in not in the bones. But in the rebuke of sinful Israel, ” some Jews” who where idol worshiper. They buried people covered with gold and earthly belongings, and some grave looters came and created panic. When they threw the dead man into the tomb of Elisha, they must have got a surprise. God of the Bible worked through the bones of a man that was not an idol worshiper.
No were is it written that these bones were removed from the tomb, taken home, and worshiped.
Carl,
No where in the scriptures does it say to venerate Elisha’s bones. No where in the scriptures does it say to venerate scraps of cloth, nor anyone’s bones or any relics.
I gave references to where it happened, and you must understand that the power of the relics do not come from the relics themselves, but from Jesus Christ.
Dear Carl.
Shalom.
The Roman Catholic relics are mediums, set up according to rules and regulations established by man. Such items are idols, and totally distasteful in the eyes of the living God, Jesus the Messiah. The RCC bow down to them, kiss them, and offers incense to them. Shame on you. Everlasting pain and agony, is what you all will get.
Over the centuries “worship” has been used in a variety of contexts, some having nothing at all to do with deities or religions.
Whether a Catholic “worships” or “venerates” a saint, what he is doing is glorifying God for the work He did through the saint, anyway. Beyond that, the saints are part of our Church. We may speak to them and pray with them. The saints pray along with us, and we’re all praying to the same guy.
Carl,
As you know, Catholic priests burn incense to the dead remains of Catholic “Saints,” they also burn incense to relics.
Read what happened to the bronze snake Moses made, when the Israelites burned incense to it. Remember, the LORD said to Moses “Make a snake and put it up on a pole; anyone who is bitten can look at it and live.” Numbers 21:8.
So if the bronze snake was destroyed because incense was burned to it…what makes you think Catholics do right when they bow to, kiss and incense material objects from dead “Saints”?
2 Kings 18:4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)
It is amazing to me how all you evangelicals seem to think you actually know what the Catholic Faith teaches. Do yorselves a favor: borrow a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church from your local library and read it. It is a compendium of the faith of the Church, heavily footnoted with Scripture and Magisterial documents. It is obvious you won’t believe me, so may be you will believe wht the Church actually says she teaches.
Dear Carl.
Shalom.
What a funny, and quite arrogant comment. What do you know about us “evangelicals”? I have been a practicing Roman Catholic for many years. I have read the Catechism of the Catholic Church from A to Z. I have also read the Bible from A to Z, and I am able to see the difference. Are you not?
I am also able to see the skull, bones and corpse madness of the Vatican. Its disgusting, almost beyond explainable. What a mockery of the Word of God.
Proverbs 28:18
The one whose walk is blameless is kept safe, but the one whose ways are perverse will fall into the pit.
Matthew 15:14
Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit.”
It is you Carl who will see the truth when Christ comes. I hope and pray you see it sooner, and that you see the “catholic” religion leads people into the wide gates of hell.
Gloria
I used to be a Biblical Fundamentalist that believed in the false “doctrines” of Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide. There is no difference in the Bible from Catholic Doctrine, for it was the Catholic Church that canonized the Scriptures in AD 392. In fact the Scriptures themselves caution personal interpretation of the Scriptures, as they need to be understood in light of the Magisterium.
Dear Carl.
Shalom.
You wrote:
for it was the Catholic Church that canonized the Scriptures in AD 392….
My reply:
Lies, lies, and utter lies.
The Jewish Bible is 3.000 year old. When Jesus walked on Earth He quoted from these scriptures. There was no New Testament. Jesus did not need permission from the Pope, did not need any approval from Rome.
In 392 AD, there had been a few Bishop Conferences, where the Bishops voted on hundreds of books. A few of them was put together in what we call the Biblical, New Testament Canon. These Bishops were not under the Bishop of Rome, or the Papacy. The synods of Alexandria, Edessa, Jerusalem, Antioch and Babylon fell pray to the religious dictatorship of Rome much later.
Many Churches of the East never accepted the Bishop of Rome, as the head of the “Church”. Like the Thomas Church in India, that was formed in 52 A.D. And The Eastern Assyrian Church, with its synod headquarters in today’s Iraq.
You are a distributor of lies, lies and utter lies, invented by the Papacy.
Your ignorance of history is staggering. First there was no “Jewish Canon”. Different sects used different Scriptures. The Pharisees used one similar to the abridged Protetant Canon. The Sadducees used aonly the Torah. The Jews of the Diaspora (that would include Jesus and the Early Church) used LXX. The FIrst “Christian” Canon (which was condemned by the Church) only had 11 books (10 of Pauls Epistles and about 75% of Luke). No later than 396 AD was there a definitive Canon (that is books appropriate for Liturgical use)which included the Deeterocanoncal books, all of which remained in the Scriptures for all of Christianity until Martin Luther removed them in his German translation.
Dear Carl.
Shalom.
The Hebrew Bible is available today. Just as it was 3.000 years ago. Jesus the Messiah confirms the Hebrew Canon. He is the ultimate authority, and did not need the Popes approval.
Please read the Bible you are holding, and make a list of Hebrew Bible books Jesus is quoting from, and confirming as the Word of God. Jesus could not quote from the New Testament. Because there was no New Testament.
Jesus never quoted from not Holy Spirit inspired books, books added to the Catholic Bible by the Pope. Martin Luther did what Jesus did. He removed them.
The Pope has falsified the Word of God. Martin Luther called the Pope an antichrist. Luther was right.
Any, I don’t know, EVIDENCE for your claims? Didn’t think so. At any rate, I am unsubscribing. This bickering does not honor Christ. I have presented Truth. It is now up to the Holy Spirit to remove the scales form your eyes.
prophecy is key along with reviewing history.
I am reading a book written about Romanism and the Reformation written by H. Grattan Guinness
another two wesites that are insiteful
http://www.wake-up.com/ and http://www.amazingdiscoveries.org
remember base it all on the Word of God
Ivor, I notice in almost all your comments that you cannot stick to answering the point without in the following paragraph going into a malevolent attack on the Catholic Church.
It was Alexander Pope who said a little learning is a dangerous thing, and an incomplete knowledge of the Catholic faith leads to extraordinary distortions. Let me give you one: Did you know that Catholic priests not alone incense dead saints, but each dead Catholic on the day of his funeral.
WOW! that’s a heck of a strange activity — sending up incense to a stiff instead of God, “LEt my prayers rise like incense, the raising of my hands like an evening oblation” Psalm 141:2. Therefore the Papists are idol worshipping again!!!!
Hmmmmm
The reason it is done comes from a biblical belief in the sublime dignity of the human body, even when dead. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20. If you body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit, and “that you have been bought and paid for”, well I guess you could use incense then, as Paul often repeated: You are the body of Christ.
The next mistake you & Gloria make is that you both slip all too easily from the term “VENERATION” of relics to “IDOL WORSHIP”. This jumping betrays a looseness of your thinking and reasoning and is NOT accepted in honest debate. Shalom
Josephmsc,
Veneration means the act of venerating, or the state of being venerated; the highest degree of respect and reverence; respect mingled with awe; a feeling or sentimental excited by the dignity, wisdom, or superiority of a person, by sacredness of character, by consecration to sacred services, or by hallowed associations Noun words for veneration are: idolatry, devotion, veneration, cultism
Idolatry means: the worship of idols; the worship of images that are not God
I’d say they mean the same thing no?
The strange activity or one of them Catholics do is the worshipping of dead people, and their disgusting display of bones.
Psalm 141 Lord, I call to you; come quickly to me.
Hear my voice when I call to you. May my prayer be set before you LIKE incense;
Do you notice the above word “LIKE” in the Bible verse? Not do, but “like.” It’s a comparison wouldn’t you say?
May the lifting up of my hands be like the evening sacrifice.
1 Corinthians 6 says: 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
You have taken Paul’s verse and twisted it into your own meaning. Where in Paul’s message does it say to use incense?
It comes down to this.
Exodus 20:1-10 And God spoke all these words, saying, “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,
Ivar, a good day to you.
I ask you one question, and again, don’t slip or jump out of this one:
QUESTION:
Did St Paul ever use written material for his own “God breathed letters” from books in the Septuagint, that fall outside the the 39 Old Testament books accepted as canon [of the Old Testament] by Protestants?
Further, did he endorse those texts by including parts of them [again from those books, namely found outside the 39 Old Testament books recognised as canon by Evangelicals in his own writings?
I really look forward to your reply, and I will be reading very closely. Shalom
did you know that Masons also revere and keep skulls of Their grand masters.
john B
There is also a statue of that blood thirsty Spaniard Ignatius of Loyola holding a Skull in hand ye him that saint! responsible for the inquisition!
john B
ivarfjeld & John & Gloria
Read Sacred Scripture, not some ignorant fool’s book!
There is no doubt Peter was chosen by Jesus to head His Church. Read the entirety of Sacred Scripture, don’t cherry pick verses and mangle the translations to suit your purpose!
Peter’s name always heads the list of the Apostles, Peter’s name is mentioned 191 times in the New Testament, which is far more than all of the other Apostles combined, (about 130 times).
Read Sacred Scripture, in it’s entirety, Peter is involved in all of the Church’s important “firsts”; Peter led the meeting which elected the first successor to an Apostle (Acts 1:13-26), and received the first converts(Acts 2:41), Peter performed the first miracle after Pentecost (Acts 3:6-7), inflicted the first punishment on Annais and Saphria (Acts 5:1-11), and excommunicated the first heretic, Simon the magician (Acts 8:21), Peter is the first Apostle to raise someone from the dead (Acts 9:36-41), Peter first received the revelation to admit gentiles into the Church(Acts 10:9-16), and commanded that the first Gentile converts be baptized (Acts 10:44-48)
“And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” (Mt 16:18)
Jesus didn’t say this to James or Andrew or Matthew!
Vernon,
Why does it seem you elevate Peter into a Godly status? The Bible says All (notice that) All Have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God. We are all born sinners, that includes Peter, Mary, and they accepted Christ as their Savior. You don’t look at that. You see things that the devil wants you to believe. But it is not Peter who can save you from your sins. It is Jesus Christ.
You, the pope, and many must repent from this sin and turn to Jesus. He is the only one that can save you, and the Bible says that the Kingdom of Heaven is near.
Gloria
Vernon,
Jesus said for the apostles and disciples not to anyone father, that they were all brothers. It’s simple.
There is no such thing from God’s Word as “Apostolic Succession.” Even Peter needed to be reprimanded by Paul, when Peter was not acting in line with the truth of the gospel. (Galatians 2:14)
Jesus is the Truth, the Rock. And on the Rock of Truth, which is Jesus—that is what the foundation is built on.
The foundation was laid by the apostles and prophets, with Jesus Christ himself as chief cornerstone. (Eph. 2:20)
The apostles and prophets had a very special purpose, to lay the foundation, and the foundation is laid. No body can add to the foundation that is already laid by Jesus and the apostles and prophets. God testified to their message with signs and wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. (Hebrews 2:24) But there are no signs and wonders from God to testify to what the popes add to His teachings. In fact, the popes add teachings that contradict and go against the Word of God. Calling each other father, prayers through Mary and saints, venerating statues and decayed bodies, etc…
You want God’s Truth, or do you want the Catholic’s truth? It’s up to you.
Vernon,
How is it you assume Mary has the SAME attributes to God? If you pray to her, then you believe she is omnipotent and ommipresent. She knows you inner thoughts and prayers. Wrong. Only God knows that. To pray to the dead (necromancy..we are commanded NOT to do that)the ‘saints’, Mary and others, we are assuming they are like God and can hear everyone.
God is jealous. We are to pray to Him alone. The Catholic Church in the Catechism calls Mary the “ALL HOLY ONE” :
2677 of the Catholic Catechism:
By asking Mary to pray for us, we acknowledge ourselves to be poor sinners and we address ourselves to the “Mother of Mercy,” the All-Holy One. We give ourselves over to her now, in the Today of our lives. And our trust broadens further, already at the present moment, to surrender “the hour of our death” wholly to her care.
(end)
Notice the Captial Letters in All Holy One. I did not add that emphasis..the church did.
To call her All Holy is blasphemy because they are saying in and of herself she is holy.There is only ONE who is holy, Jesus Christ, the Holy Father, and the Spirit. But the RCC says the Pope is the Holy Father..a name Jesus used for His own father..
Blessings,
Sue
Dear Vernon.
Peace to you.
You wrote:
Whether a Catholic “worships” or “venerates” a saint, what he is doing is glorifying God for the work He did through the saint, anyway. Beyond that, the saints are part of our Church. We may speak to them and pray with them. The saints pray along with us, and we’re all praying to the same guy.
My comment:
We are Not to pray to the dead. Please show me in scripture where any of the apostles prayed to the dead. When Stephen (first martyr) was killed, did the apostles pray to Stephen? No. Please show me where this is biblical. Would Jews pray to the dead? Remember, the roots of Christianity are Jewish.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
There are people frequently asking us for the source of information, that confirmed that the Pope wants to shift back to Jerusalem. Here are two useful links from News That Matters.
The Order of Malta.
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2009/06/17/order-of-malta-you-have-to-give-us-back-the-holy-land/
Order of Holy Sepulcre.
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2010/08/14/grand-master-ready-to-take-over-and-bring-%C2%ABpeace%C2%BB-to-jerusalem/
Dear Vernon
Shalom.
I have spammed your Papal booklets. Please go somewhere else. I do not think you are interested in a debate on faith. You have made up your mind that the Pope is “the Holy father”, and you will perish with him.
If you next message is short, and address the questions that have been given to you, I will allow you to continue.
1. Jesus called on Father God as “Holy Father”. The Catholics call the Pope “Holy Father”. Who is right?
2. Jesus said do not call the priests ‘father”. The Catholic Church demand that the Catholics shall call their priest “father”. Who is right?
3. The Bible bans anyone for addressing created beings “The Queen of Heaven”, a pagan tittle. The Catholic Church has made Catholic Mary the Queen of Heaven. Who is right. The Bible or the Pope?
4. The Bible says, all created man has sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God. The Catholic Church claims Catholic Mary was born without sin, lived a life without sinning, and was taken up to Heaven sinless in body of Soul.
Who is right? You have to chose between the truth, and wicked lies.
Vernon said:”In history Christian practice of asking our departed brothers and sisters in Christ—”the saints”—for their intercession has come under attack in the last few hundred years.”
Catholics don’t just ask those who have passed to pray FOR them—Catholics PRAY TO those who have passed.
That is a big difference. Again, Catholics pray TO those who have passed. We are only to pray to God, through Jesus Christ. We are not to pray to God and Jesus through saints.
Vernon said: “As Scripture indicates, those in heaven are aware of the prayers of those on earth. This can be seen, for example, in Revelation 5:8, where John depicts the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of “golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.”
You miss quote the scripture…it is NOT the saints in heaven offering our prayers to God under the form of the golden bowls full of incense, as you say.
The scripture says the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders were holding golden bowls full of incense.
Dear Victoria.
Shalom.
Sorry for the delay in publishing your comment. I do not know why you ended up in the spam filter. I have up dated your comment, to put it on top of the list.
Keeping peoples skulls is really creepy
To answer for my brother Seminarian Vernon. There is no short answer to this question.
1. Question: “Call no one on Earth your Father?”
Matthew 23:9 “Call no one on earth your father; you have but one Father in heaven.”
The key word “your” is in most Bible versions including the King James Verison of the Bible. The use of this word “your” signifies that only the creator, as Father of the spirit — that which lasts for all eternity — is the true “Father.” All other references to “father” refer to human beings who in one way or another serve as foster fathers. The argument that “dad” or “pa” or “pop” bears a different significance than the word “father” is to be considered as being close minded. If one calls someone “dad” with the notion that dad is his creator, and believes that this is okay because it does not go against the literal interpretation contained in Scripture, then many messages of Jesus must be considered as rendered useless. The spirit is of God the Father. The material body (that which is mortal) has a human father.
It should be noted that there are 1,511 references to father, fathers. etc. in the King James version of Sacred Scripture. Most of these do not refer to God the Father.
When Jesus used the reference your father it would have had little meaning if the basic concept of father was not clearly understood by being in common usage. Here are Scriptural references or examples to note!
Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. [Genesis 2:24]
Who said unto his father and to his mother, I have not seen him; neither did he acknowledge his brethren, nor knew his own children: for they have observed thy word, and kept thy covenant. [Deut. 33:9]
But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: [Matthew 2:22]
The use of the word “father,” in regards to priests, only means that a priest acts as a spiritual guide under the authority of God the Father. No one in their right mind thinks that each priest is God the Father or that any human being is their creator. Jesus made this statement to help us focus on our true origins and upon that which has lasting value. This type of message is called a metaphor. It is figurative language used as a method of teaching and not meant to be taken literally.
One’s human father provides for the needs of this life during growth and also acts as teacher and moral guide for the mind and the spirit. A priest is called father because he is intended to act as a link to spiritual values that otherwise would be without authoritative foundation.
If one has a concordance — a catalog of words found in the Bible — he should look up the word “father” and see the many different ways the term is used in Scripture, particularly in the New Testament. The term “father” in the King James version is used 541 times in the Old Testament and 311 times in the New Testament for a total of 852 times. When Biblical passages are taken out of context and/or interpreted literally one is often going to be in error.
Dear David
Shalom, and welcome back to this site.
You wrote:
The use of the word “father,” in regards to priests, only means that a priest acts as a spiritual guide under the authority of God the Father.
My comment:
This i human made wisdom, complete rubbish that mock the Word of God. Jesus said the radical opposite. Do not call any spiritual guide “father”, but our Father in Heaven. The Roman Catholic Church is a pit of God mockers.
I’ll answer for number 2 on Queen of Heaven
Why do Catholics call Mary the Queen of Heaven? Doesn’t God rebuke the Israelites in the O.T. for worshipping a false goddess called the Queen of Heaven? Should we not refer to Mary with that title, therefore, since it is the title of a false goddess?
In Jeremiah 7:18, God is indeed upset with the Israelites for worshipping a false goddess called the “queen of heaven”. However, just because God rebuked them for worshipping the false queen of heaven, doesn’t mean that we cannot pay honor to the true Queen of Heaven…the Blessed Mother.
That type of thinking would lead you to believe that just because people worship a false god that they call “god,” we, therefore, should not call the true God, by that same name…God…because that’s the same title the idolaters use for their god! That is faulty logic and it makes no sense whatsoever.
Again, the fact that there is a false “queen of heaven”, does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false goddess when we call Mary the “Queen of Heaven.” Just as the fact that there is a false “god”, does not lead to the conclusion that we worship a false god when we call our Father in Heaven, God.
And there is a true Queen of Heaven, we see this quite clearly in Revelation 12:1, “And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars…” Let’s see. There’s a woman…she’s in Heaven…and she has a crown on her head. I could be wrong, but I don’t think it’s the maid! No! It is the true Queen of Heaven, Mary, the mother of the male child who is to rule the nations.
We do not worship Mary, we honor her, just as Jesus honors her. So, there is absolutely nothing wrong, from a scriptural point of view, in calling Mary the Queen of Heaven, and in honoring her just as Jesus honors her.
Dear Chris.
Shalom.
You wrote:
“And a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars…
My reply:
This is Israel, and the 12 tribes of Israel. Israel is called a woman, who birthed the nation. This woman is not “The Queen of Heaven”.
Dear Chris,
The Catholic church has been duping the catholic people for years telling them Miriam of the Bible has twelve starts encircling her head standing on a moon. It doesn’t even make logical sense.
The 12 tribes being represented makes perfect sense, and Israel is that woman.
Please try to think in terms of JEWISH roots to your faith. The apostles would have never prayed to Mary after she died. She was a fellow believer, not a goddess. The RCC made her into a goddess and gave her divine attributes she does not possess. All of the Fatima apparitions and false appearances are lies from Hell to keep you praying to the ‘Queen of Heaven,’ where God’s glory is diminished by your prayers to HER. I was a Roman Catholic until a little over a year ago. I said many prayers to this Queen. When I understood what I was doing, we threw out all of our rosaries and asked forgiveness. I have no disrespect for Mary, she was a beautiful believer, saved by His blood, just like me.The RCC has many pagan practices which were introduced through Constantine, who murdered members of his own family and worshiped the sun god while he was catholic.
Check out this site:
http://www.bereanbeacon.org
Dear Sue.
Genesis 37:8-10
8 His brothers said to him, “Do you intend to reign over us? Will you actually rule us?” And they hated him all the more because of his dream and what he had said.
9 Then he had another dream, and he told it to his brothers. “Listen,” he said, “I had another dream, and this time the sun and moon and eleven stars were bowing down to me.”
10 When he told his father as well as his brothers, his father rebuked him and said, “What is this dream you had? Will your mother and I and your brothers actually come and bow down to the ground before you?”
Revelation 12:1
[ The Woman and the Dragon ] A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.
Jesus’ Mother and Brothers
46 While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47 Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
Chris,
Names are important. They were extremely important in the Jewish culture. Jesus changed people’s names to refer to meaning.
Why don’t you call the Lord lucifer? No, you would never do that because you know whom that name represents.
The Queen of Heaven, a goddess that the Lord HATES, is disgusting to be used for simple, obedient, Jewish Miriam. I would think Miriam would hate to be called the Queen of Heaven. She does not sit on a throne as a Queen. She worships the Almighty in spirit and in truth.
If names were not important Jesus would not have called Peter (small stone).
Chris,
Catholics pray to Mary to get to Jesus. That practice of praying to Mary to get to Jesus cannot be denied, it is a well known Catholic teaching. And it is not biblical. We are not suppose to go through anyone to get to Jesus.
Jesus does not want us to get to him through his earthly mother. We can go straight to Jesus, calling on his name. (Romans 10:13)
In fact, when we are saved, we have Jesus’ Spirit living inside of us. So how does that make sense to go through Mary to speak to Jesus?
Jesus did not come to earth to be married, to have children, nor to be Mary’s son. Jesus came to earth to save us.
Jesus even called Mary “woman” and gave John to her to be her son. (John 19:26)
The Catholic popes add many teachings to God’s word, making God’s word null and void. (Mark 7:13)
Dear Victoria.
Shalom.
Once up on a time, The Roman Catholic Church had three popes fighting each other. One in Rome, one in France, and one if the Italian city of Pisa.
Two of them were branded by Catholics as anti-Popes. Replacements of the “real pope”.
In a similar way, Rome has an anti-Christ in its center. A Replacement of the true Messiah, a dangerous copy-cat. Behind this “false Messiah” is Satan him self.
The spiritual disaster in the Vatican, keeps one billion souls in bondage, and gets them ready for the slaughter house. The Pope and His followers are a cursed hell bound movement.
Read more about the anti-Popes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipope
To answer about the Pope being unbiblical is untrue
A Baptist friend of mine asked me where in the Bible does it use the word, “Pope or say anything about the Pope?”
Well, you will not find the word “Pope” in the Bible. Just as you will not find the word “Trinity,” or the word “Incarnation” in the Bible. Yet, I’ll bet your Baptist friend believes in both the Trinity and the Incarnation.
Just because a particular word is not found in the Bible, does not mean that we should not use that word or that the theology implied by that word is somehow unbiblical. The word “Bible” is not found in the Bible, so does that mean we should not believe in the Bible? Of course not.
The fact of the matter is, even though the word “Pope” is not found directly in the Bible, the underlying meaning of that word is. The word “Pope” is derived from the Greek word, “pappas,” which means, “father” (Latinized as “papa”). In Isaiah 22, verses 19-24, we see God telling Shebna, who was the chief minister of the House of David, that he will be replaced in his office by Eliakim, and that Eliakim will have authority and will be a “father” [papa; pope] to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the House of Judah.
Also in this passage, God says that Eliakim will have the key of the House of David and that he “shall open and none shall shut; and he shall shut and none shall open.”
This passage from Isaiah was obviously on the Lord’s mind when he said to Peter, in Matthew 16:18-19, “And I tell you, you are Peter and on this rock I will build my church…I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven.”
Eliakim was the chief minister in the House of David. What is the new House of David? The Church. Who is the chief minister in the Church? Peter, and his successors – the Popes. Eliakim was given the key of the kingdom. Peter is given the keys of the kingdom. Eliakim had the authority to shut and to open. Peter had the authority to bind and loose. Eliakim was a father to the those in the House of David, just so Peter is a father to those in the new House of David – the Church.
So, since Peter is a “father” to those in the Church, just as Eliakim was a “father” to those in the House of David; and the word “Pope” means “father;” then we can say that the underlying meaning of the word “Pope” is actually found in the Bible – right there in Isaiah 22. And, we can further say, that Catholic belief regarding the role of the Pope is also found right there in Isaiah 22 and Matthew 16, as well as in other parts of Scripture.
Dear John.
Shalom.
You wrote:
The fact of the matter is, even though the word “Pope” is not found directly in the Bible, the underlying meaning of that word is. The word “Pope” is derived from the Greek word, “pappas,” which means, “father” (Latinized as “papa”)
My reply:
So the Pope is a God mocker. Since Jesus told us that we should not call any spiritual leader on Earth for ‘Father”. Even worse. The Pope is addressed as “Holy Father”, the name that Jesus used on His Father God in Heaven. That makes the “Italian papa” an anti-Christ walking in the Earth.
John 17:11
I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.
Matthew 23:9
And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
Wow you really distort what is written scripture and that is not good! And I’ll have to agree with Carl, you really don’t like Catholics. You also alter historical informations that I have checking in this blog between yours and others. Yours have been no way close to what is truthful at all. I myself have a bachelors in History especially in the field of late-Greco-Roman periods. And I also think you have never have any formal Seminary training in theology, sacred scripture, philosophy, Social Ethics, and history. Every personal translation of scripture is another persons interpretation. Even the answer I gave about Pope are from some Catholic and even Protestants scholars and yet you still over look the answer.
You can blog all you want about how wrong the Catholic Church is but its not really going to do any difference really since its been around for 2000 years as many historians or religious scholars are going to tell you! And plus the fact there are more than 1.5 billion Catholic around the world than all the Protestant denominations makeup in the world. That was all due to the Catholic missionaries in the history of the Late Renaissance period of the 1500s to the 1700s. If you don’t believe what happened back than…..than you are really way off on belief, truth, faith and reason. Maybe I should recommend you to read about John Henry Newman of England. He was an Anglican Bishop and a devout Protestant, but when he explore his Church’s history, he found many faults about it and led back always to the Catholic Church. He then converted to the Catholic Church in his middle Age after finding truth of what he was looking for in truth. He became Bishop and Cardinal due his work for the Church in England. Newman was also a literary figure of note, his major writings including his autobiography Apologia Pro Vita Sua (1865–66), the Grammar of Assent (1870), and the poem The Dream of Gerontius (1865). So, I am going to leave this site because you are a lost cause and I will keep you in prayers, but what you are doing is no benefit to anyone and will cause trouble and especially a hateful feel and attack on Catholic Christians. That is very un-Christian and unloving! Peace be with you and with you sprirt! Chao!
Dear John,
I am speaking for myself. I love Catholics. My family is Catholic, friends are catholic and I studied at a Catholic University and even took classes from ‘famous’ apologists.
And so what? All the ‘training’ did not do much for my relationship to Christ. It was always through the Church and what the RCC said I must do to be saved: go to mass (mortal sin if you miss it–like hell), keep holy days or hell, no meat on Friday(Lent) or hell. I could never measure up, ever and the closest thing to being saved was get to purgatory. The bible is so clear: Anyone who believes in Him has eternal life. The disciples roamed the hills preaching the gospel, not mass, rosary, ‘saints’, scapulars, holy days. They preached the Blood of Jesus and the Good News.
Ivar does not hate you, or Catholics and neither do I. I love you because I was just as passionate about Catholicism as you are until He opened my eyes.
Question: Why is the Pope calling for world government? Why does the Catechism say muslims are in the plan of salvation? Why does Vatican II state that Buddhists can achieve ‘divine illumination’ by praying to false gods? Dear, JOhn..that is only the beginning.
Do not be offended. Debate is good, and we desire for you to be free from the chains that bind and to see the Gospel apart from RCC rules and man-made laws that are not apart of the Gospel.
Peace to you.
Sue
This for Sue,
If you believe Hindus, Muslims, Buddhist or Catholics can be saved without knowning the true gospel. What about those like for instance a baby of a Christian baby who has died. And plus have not been baptized or knew the Gospel because its a baby and does not have reason? What happens to the child and it is born of Original Sin! Or a person in rare case has never had anything to do with religion or knew about religion or Christianity? What happens to that person in the End??
John,
You brag too much about scholarly things. God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. (1 Cor. 12:7)
Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? (1 Cor. 1:20)
Jesus told his disciples not to call anyone Father, that they were brothers. We only have one Spiritual Father, God. The apostles called each other brother, and all the believers called each other brother and sister.
Why don’t you read Jesus’ teachings and believe and obey?
Jesus says we remain in his love if we obey his teachings. (John 15:9-10)
We are not to add to His word, nor lean to the left or to the right. (Deuteronomy 5:22)
Seek God’s Word from the writings in the Holy Bible. Start believing and obeying what you read. You will be blessed for it.
Dear Ivar,
Shalom to you,brother.
It’s seems very clear to me. When my husband and I first found out about the Queen of Heaven that enraged the Father, we flipped out. All these years, Mary was that queen…
To those who say their prayers are answered by the Queen and everything goes well when praying to her..well that is exactly what they said in Jeremiah:
Jeremiah 16:7-30
16 “So do not pray for this people nor offer any plea or petition for them; do not plead with me, for I will not listen to you. 17 Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? 18 The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger. 19 But am I the one they are provoking? declares the LORD. Are they not rather harming themselves, to their own shame?
20 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: My anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place—on man and beast, on the trees of the field and on the crops of your land—and it will burn and not be quenched.
21 “‘This is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Go ahead, add your burnt offerings to your other sacrifices and eat the meat yourselves! 22 For when I brought your ancestors out of Egypt and spoke to them, I did not just give them commands about burnt offerings and sacrifices, 23 but I gave them this command: Obey me, and I will be your God and you will be my people. Walk in obedience to all I command you, that it may go well with you. 24 But they did not listen or pay attention; instead, they followed the stubborn inclinations of their evil hearts. They went backward and not forward. 25 From the time your ancestors left Egypt until now, day after day, again and again I sent you my servants the prophets. 26 But they did not listen to me or pay attention. They were stiff-necked and did more evil than their ancestors.’
27 “When you tell them all this, they will not listen to you; when you call to them, they will not answer. 28 Therefore say to them, ‘This is the nation that has not obeyed the LORD its God or responded to correction. Truth has perished; it has vanished from their lips.
29 “‘Cut off your hair and throw it away; take up a lament on the barren heights, for the LORD has rejected and abandoned this generation that is under his wrath.
The Valley of Slaughter
30 “‘The people of Judah have done evil in my eyes, declares the LORD. They have set up their detestable idols in the house that bears my Name and have defiled it. 31 They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind. 32 So beware, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when people will no longer call it Topheth or the Valley of Ben Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter, for they will bury the dead in Topheth until there is no more room. 33 Then the carcasses of this people will become food for the birds and the wild animals, and there will be no one to frighten them away. 34 I will bring an end to the sounds of joy and gladness and to the voices of bride and bridegroom in the towns of Judah and the streets of Jerusalem, for the land will become desolate.
A question to Sue
You beleive that a Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist or even a Catholic are living a following a false way and in the end will perish. My question is…..what about a baby? A child that has not developed full reason or intellect and has just died! In addition this child is not baptized…so what will happen to this child in the End??? And how a person, who had no idea of religion or Christianity and its not his or her fault for not knowing?? What will happen to that person in End of his or her life??
Dear Larry.
Shalom.
In Pentecostal theology, we believe that baby’s are covered by mercy and grace, and that Jesus will save them. Only when people are old enough to understand what sin is, and who Jesus is, we loose our salvation if we reject the truth.
Hi Larry,
I can never know what happens in the moment of death for any person, so I can not judge.Someone can call on Jesus in their last breath. I agree with Ivar that babies are under Grace.
Concerning babies or little ones, the children and little ones of the Israelites went into the promised land, “…which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil…”.
Deu 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
I would imagine the same would hold true of little ones getting to heaven, our promised land.
This level of hate and nonsense based on cultural differences on this website is appalling and who ever wrote this forgot the most important message of all Christianity is a religion of love. When the Catholics pay homage to the dead it is so that their memory can be remembered and a saint obviously does not replace the fundamental importance of the trinity. Have none of you heard about the fundamental importance of oecumenism? Your western attitude which makes you think you are superior to other races towards the Indian version of scripture is alarming. God is universal and if this version of the Bible helps the Christians of India to engage in a personal relationship with our Saviour because culturally it is more meaningful for them then there is nothing wrong with it. The incarnation of Jesus did not occur to spark divisions, if one does not accept that the major problems between the different denominations are cultural he has not understood Jesus’ message of love.
Que Dieu vous garde
Come,
Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. Deuteronomy 4:2
Deuteronomy 5:32 So be careful to do what the LORD your God has commanded you; do not turn aside to the right or to the left.
The original apostles received all the truth we need to guide us to eternal life, and they wrote this down in the Scriptures (John 16:13; 2 Pet. 1:3; Acts 20:20,27; Matt. 28:20; I Cor. 14:37; 2 Tim. 3:16,17).
The teachings of these inspired writers can be understood by the common people. We do not need official interpreters to understand the word, but we should use the word to check out the teachers! (Mark 7:14; 2 Tim. 3:15, 16,17; John 20:30,31; Acts 17:11; Psa. 119:105)
“Every word of God is flawless: he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.
Proverbs 30:5-6
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to the word, they have no light of dawn.
Trusting in tradition is not honorable; it is deceptive.
Matthew 3:9 “And do not think you can say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.
Jesus denounced tradition as keeping man from the reality of the truth:
Matthew 15:6-9 “… Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.”
We displease God when we follow tradition or church laws or any human standard as the source of authority for the church (Matt. 15:1-14; Col. 2:8; Gal. 1:6-9; Prov. 14:12; 2 John 9-11; Jer. 10:23).
Only Jesus can furnish our right standing and peace with God. Repent of all else and rest
on the faithfulness of Christ Jesus alone,
“forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.”
1Peter 18-19
Come says:”The incarnation of Jesus did not occur to spark divisions, if one does not accept that the major problems between the different denominations are cultural he has not understood Jesus’ message of love.”
Jesus says:
Luke 12:51
” Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division;
Romans 8:26-27 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God’s will.
This passage shows that the Spirit will make intercession on behalf of a saint to properly express the intention of that saint who did not know what he “ought to pray for.” If the Spirit “helps us in our weakness,” I see no reason to exclude the weakness of not knowing if a person is in heaven or hell. The intention of the petitioner is to save a soul, and his weakness in misdirecting that prayer by theoretically naming someone in hell is not going to void the prayer. We trust the Spirit to “redirect” the prayer, as bnbkaine worded it, in “accord with God’s will.”
Catholics do not worship saints or Mary. Worship is only for God. Catholics are not to worship anyone or anything other than God.
It is, as in the case of so-called “inclusive language” a matter of ignorance, as in people who are ignorant of English grammar and do not understand the rules for collective nouns and pronouns, in that they comprise both genders, and do not understand the basic definition, usage and connotation of words.
I think it’s clear that in modern english dialects, the word “worship” has evolved into a stricter meaning than it once had. When a modern protestant accuses you of “worshipping” Mary, the meaning of the word “worship” that he is operating under is the more specific “Latria”, which indeed is reserved only for God. If we were to “worship” Mary by this definition, it certainly would be a sin. This is one way in which many protestants think they’ve got us cold. They look back at old papal documents which refer to “worshipping” Mary, and say “SEE!?!? You worship Mary!” I don’t think they are intentionally equivocating on the meaning of the word here, since they’re not actually aware of the shift in meaning that has taken place, however.
The problem is more difficult than described. In fact, most uses of the word “worship” in Protestant contexts do not refer to latria, but to dulia. Unfortunately, most Protestant approaches do not allow for latria to be offered even to God.
Thus the problem is two-fold, the word “worship” encompasses both latria and dulia, but the Protestant usage does not recognize latria. Hence, they object to “worship” offered to anyone but God, and actually do object to dulia paid to the Saints or to persons on earth, such as the Pope and other Bishops.
The advice given above is good: “say what you mean by “worship” and we’ll tell you if we apply it to any other than God.”
Unfortunately, when this is done and we come to terms on the meaning of the word “worship,” most Protestant approaches will deny the existence of latria, limit the meaning of “worship” to dulia, and then insist on giving this only to God.
The issue centers on self-donation and the possibility of true sacrifice as the heart of the “adoration” due only to God.
Catholic fanaticism and elevation of the dead is really strange
capuchin monks and death, this is really spooky
http://www.google.se/search?um=1&hl=sv&biw=1259&bih=627&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=capuchin+catacombs+of+palermo&oq=capuchin+catacombs&aq=5&aqi=g2&aql=&gs_sm=c&gs_upl=122210l129916l0l13l13l0l9l9l0l359l359l3-1l1
Dear Hulda
Shalom.
You can take a look at the skull and bone files on this blog.
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/category/vatican-skulls-and-bones/
Ecumenism is dead here. When the going gets tough it seems too many humans pack up their bags and find a quiet corner to play on their own. A little respect, empathy and above all, acceptance of diversity and freedom of religious expression (which is a basic human right), would go a long way in helping mankind.
Dear Roger.
Shalom.
One papists goes, and another comes.
You wrote:
Ecumenism is dead here.
My reply:
Please take a look at the skull and bone files on this site. We do not want to have “ecumenism” with a death cult, who worship bones and skulls. Papists who loots tombs and graves, and put the dead and deceased corpses into public glass mounters, bow down to dead corpses and burn incense in front of such “stuff”.
I do believe in ecumenism, excluding the Vatican from the Christian faith. The true body of Christ must keep false teachers and false prophets where they belong. And that is outside our Churches. Let them have no support when they dragg people into the gutter.
Ivarfjeld, you paint a very biased picture. So the Catholic Church = Death Cult because of some isolated examples with dubious captions. I am happy you believe in ecumenism, as it is the path to peace for all nations. By definition you cannot exclude the Vatican from Christian faith. Catholicism is defined as a Christian faith (belief in Christ), and ecumenism is the movement towards a united Christian Church. I respect your passion, but do not agree with your logic. Peace.
Dear Roger.
Shalom.
You wrote:
By definition you cannot exclude the Vatican from Christian faith. Catholicism is defined as a Christian faith (belief in Christ),
My comment:
Martin Luther called the pope an anti-Christ. So did John Calvin, and all the Church reformers who put a bell on the apostate false “Church”. The Westley brothers did the same.
That apostate Protestant “Christians” in our days, do not see the writings on the wall, is not only sad. It is a spiritual catastrophe.
Please take a look at what kind of religious movement you are supporting.
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/category/vatican-skulls-and-bones/
The emperor Konstantine permitted the devil to build a “Church” in Rome, by appointing a head called “The Pope”. To force the true Church to accept This “head” was a bid by the emperor to establish a Church controlled by the Empire. The derailed, apostate “Church” in Rome quickly became an abomination on the Earth.
The idea of Konstantine, is still the strategy in the Vatican. That the Pope must be the head of the global Church, and that such a unity will be pleasing to the Lord.
This will eventually happen. The separation of the sheep and the goats must take place.
There will be only two Churches left at the end of the road. The false, wicked Church, lead by the skull and bone society, who has gay priests as their spiritual “fathers”, and the true bride of Christ.
Lord Jesus will return and separate them for eternity. The deceived and blinded followers of the hell bound Roman Catholic falsehood will not stand on the day of judgment. The true saints who obeyed His command”s will live with Him in the Kingdom of Heaven forever.
This is the truth.
Read up on the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification. It turns out that a spade is actually a spade! Peace to all.
The Joint Declaration and Doc. of Just. is a farce Roger. Rome is trying to bring all protestants back under the Rome, so Rome will do anything to woo and seduce. Not only protestants but all other religions as well. Hence, Vatican 2 and it’s interreligious dialogue..calling Muslims brothers and saying that Buddhists CAN ACHIEVE divine illumination through meditating and worshiping false gods.
I’m calling a spade a spade.
Sueliz1, it was a “joint” declaration. Rome did not force the Lutheran World Federation to sign the declaration. I could say that the Lutherans tried to woo and seduce Catholics into signing the declaration, but that would be equally false. It was a joint declaration between Catholic and Protestant bodies, made in good faith and true ecumenical spirit. The glass is half full, not half empty. Peace sister.
….and the World Methodist Council heartily accepted the declaration.
Roger,
I can speak for most. People are loved. Religious systems that lead people away from truth are not.
Would you hold hands with the devil for the sake of ecumenism? There must be a line in the sand you will not cross to uphold the Gospel. But people are always loved. It’s not about finger-pointing at people, it’s about a satanic spirit behind a false church that misleads millions. It’s about a righteous anger at what the enemy does in his cunning slyness. Not about the dear souls lost in it’s clutches. Calling out the truth is love.
Not in any way does ecumenism involve holding hands with the devil. I doubt that you can speak for most on that issue. You are drawing a long bow. It may be your own opinion, but many would disagree with you. Throwing fuel on the fire of division seems to be your bag. I really wish all Christians could cooperate and realise that bickering over details is pointless. Remember the Golden Rule…that is the real truth and heart of Christianity.
Dear Roger,
The Lutheran Federation are apostate and have given themselves over to the world religion to come.
I was a staunch Catholic all my life until the Lord opened my eyes to the coming world govt. and one world religion. Ecumenism is not the path to peace. Peace will come when our King Jesus returns. But a false peace is coming. And when the world cries Peace Peace, the wrath of God will come.
Please check out http://www.bereanbeacon.org I wish you every grace and blessing Roger.
Sueliz1, the LFW represent about 70 million Christians….mostly protestant. Be very careful not undermine your own arguments. The protestant faith is the true faith as you proclaim. There are now only a select few protestants that are now true to the word??? I’m confused!
And your thoughts on the World Methodist Council??? Are they also apostate for accepting the declaration???
Sueliz1, I do not admit to knowing the truth, as I struggle with my faith. I respect your enthusiasm and arguments. I don’t wish to be rude, but by asking tough questions I hope to find answers. God bless.
Roger,
Good for you. You should ask the questions. I’m glad you are asking them. I am happy to converse with you. I understand your struggles and would like to hear them, because I probably shared many of them. Peace and Grace.
Dear Roger,
Many “protestants” and evangelicals are jumping on the Rome band-wagon. In the scriptures it is clear that all religions will come together and merge. Just because evangelicals sign up for it doesn’t make it Christian-approved. Jesus said when He returned would there be anyone who had faith in Him. Many have faith in men, a denomination, a mystical experience, a feeling, a miracle, an apparition, the pope, Mary, saints, novenas. But believing His Word is key. His Word is the Rock we can stand on. Everything else is sinking sand. “Tradition” allows falsehoods to seep in and following an institution enslaves.
His Word will never disappoint. He IS the Word. To the left or right don’t go. The straight and narrow is the Way.
Well said and good positive thinking. So long as all Christians, regardless of denomination, follow the Word, then all is well.
Exactly right Roger.
Dear Roger,
You said you don’t know the truth. But you can know it. Jesus said:
John 17:17
Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. (end of scripture)
He gave us the Holy Spirit to guide us to all truth. The pope says the Catholic church is truth. But if the RCC contradicts the scriptures it is not truth. Therefore, hold fast to His Word Roger and this truth will set you free.
Blessings,
Sue
All Martin Luther’s “Reformation” did was unleash a VERY long list of protestant sects throughout the centuries such as Lutherans,Anglicans,Presbyterians,
Baptists,Methodists,Church of Christ,Adventists,etc. These sects can’t even agree on doctrine.As for God not wanting graven images of anything in the heavens,He Himself had Moses in the same book of Exodus put two images of cherubs on top of the Ark of the Covenant.So,does God want images or not? I personally think that the images of angels in Catholic churches are beautiful.
Dear Manny.
Shalom.
You wrote:
All Martin Luther’s “Reformation” did was unleash a VERY long list of protestant sects throughout the centuries such as Lutherans,Anglicans,Presbyterians, Baptists,Methodists,Church of Christ,Adventists,etc
My reply:
It is always wise to use the Bible as the measure of truth. If Martin Luther found faults in the Roman Catholic Church, you better pay attention. A Church is not a Church because of its long history, neither by its numbers.
The basic question is: Does a Church honor the scripture?
If not: Get out of there, and find a Church who do so. You have correctly claimed that there are thousands of Churches who do so. They all have in common that they have left Rome, and renounced the Papacy.
Kindly send me Your latest mail
The new Catholic “Bible” comes as no huge surprise, since the prime Jesuit premise is “The end justifies the means” & to achieve their aims they have often & frequently will (pretend to) be all things to all men.
Because the whole Christianity is just a HOAX
Must have been a pretty good one if there are millions of people around the world and more coming every day from all different colours and cultures and backgrounds that are believing and declaring in their own language and dialect that Christianity is real!
If people are leaving their own cultured ancestry beliefs and backgrounds that were ordained by their forefathers and surrendering to Jesus Christ and the Bible as we know it.
Mmmm that sounds like the ultimate hoax to me but i don’t think any hoax in history has ever made it that far and still going on to this day. Must be more to it than that!
Jesus is alive! (Not through the pope)
Regarding “Catholic Bible with verses from Vedas, Gandhi”:
I am not religious, but I feel that making a Bible “cultural” by inaccurately portraying people in Indian dress (when that is not how Bible figures dressed) and mentioning Indian famous figures/families who were never mentioned in the original Bible simply doesn’t make sense. A religion can certainly be “translated” and interpreted to fit the times, but to rewrite a holy book just goes to show that religion is really man-made, and subject to whoever controls it.
ASingleLetter: yes, good point.
A religious outlook is not a prerequisite to understanding that many prophecies written in the Bible came to pass exactly as written (the the year, in the case of 1798, & to the name, role & actions in the case of Darius).
That does make sense.
Some of the history in the Vedas is verifiably accurate & sometimes mind-blowing (the Third Reich got as far as re-inventing the Vimanas aircraft mentioned there to the point of getting them flying – & that’s all, I’m happy to say; exhumations from the three cities in Rama destroyed by a “Thunderbolt of Iron” launched from a Vailixi are far more radioactive than those from Hiroshima or Nagasaki), however the truly life-altering stuff is not in there, & it is in the Bible.
Wow,very interesting site! I’ve read through all of the debates and saw some of your videos about Catholism. I came out of the Roman catholic church 27 years ago when the Lord saved me,Praise God!!! I thought I knew pretty much about this religion but I must say I was shocked when they carried the skull and bones of the deceased into their church!! I thank the Lord for His Truth and for setting me free from man’s traditions! The Lord baptized me in the Holy Ghost and believe me ,you don’t need any man to teach you the scriptures because His spirit reveals the truth to you in His Holy Word! I was born into His Church when I was born again! The New Testament Church was formed on the day of Pentecost! That is His true Church, a body of born again Believers and Jesus is the Head of the Church!!! We must pray for the Catholics that the veil that is over their eyes would be removed as mine was and that we have access (through Jesus only) to the throne room to hear our petitions!!! God Bless you as you proclaim His Truth!!!!
Amen! I love your post. God bless you! x
You are proof that prayer works
Abomination dirty abomination.
Let me conclude this for you all who have commented!
Rome has taken the message Paul gave of Jesus Christ round the time of Constantine and merged it with babylonian and pagan belief! Declared in the edict of milan that ALL religions would be tolerated despite Constantine’s supposed conversion to Christ and created this abomination of God on earth through the pope.
Now you can argue Jesus’ message of ‘just’ love as some people have convinced themselves, you can argue the validity of Genesis and you can argue Rome and it’s idol history and yet salute to the ‘unknown God’ (see Acts) but none of it can deter that Jesus said one defining thing that accentuated the whole of the Bible…
I AM (Jesus) the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE. NO ONE (no Catholic, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, New Age, Atheist) comes unto the FATHER (God) EXCEPT through ME!
John 14:6
So no matter what you want to perceive of Jesus at this point you can either dismiss Him or accept Him for who he is cause their no negotiating or dancing around this statement no matter how politically correct or open minded you desire to be.
I don’t believe Catholics are bad people, just misguided there is a LOT your sect practises that Babylonians themselves would come back and sue you for cause you’ve taken pure influence from them.
Exodus 20 (old testament) alone commands NO GRAVEN IMAGES! and you’ve done that. You worship and pray to your dead, something else JESUS HIMSELF condemned. You pray to and worship Mary and Peter and the saints where God condemns in Deuteronomy such idol worship! Even Cornelius a roman tried to worship Peter when he saw him and peter said NO get up! I’m a man just like you. Mary too was blessed yes but a servant and apart from immaculate conception we all are blessed and have a calling from God.
Catholicism is indeed the GREAT WHORE in Revelation that John himself describes and all you who are Catholics if you want to have a personal relationship with Jesus where He alone is your High Priest and Lord then you must COME OUT OF HER!!!!
Urrgggghhhhh! The picture above smacks of witchcraft! Worship of the dead. He may as well be dressed all in black with a jack o lantern on his front.
Shudder!
The devil knows what he’s doing. Do your research, did you know that EVERY head of state has bowed before the Pope? Google it! These heads meet the pope and no matter what religion they are from they bow to him and kiss his ring out of reverence and respect… antichrist! Not the antichrist but the Bible says that many will come before the one!
Dig deep enough into this Catholicism and you’ll find that every man woman and child no matter what level of authority is supposed subject to the highest authority- the pope but he is subject to who??? God? Nope, cause he’s considered god on earth so who? MARY? He prays to mary apparently, but unfortunately those pictures you’ll find in the Cardinal halls or in the Vatican in Rome
supposedly to be of Mary and Jesus- they are not, they are of Simirimus and baby Nimrod – Simirimus the Babylonian queen of heaven and Nimrod her son who she named after his dad Nimrod from Genesis. Do your research people! Internet, textbook, encyclopaedia! Don’t be deceived!
The pope is not to be worshipped nor revered as such that he is! That goes for your priest too. Jesus said clearly Matthew 23:9 – Call no man your Father for you have one which is in heaven!
Black Magic People
Jesus said —- Question all things said & Written by Man ! Who was this Man ? Who also said Give to God what is God.s & Give to Caesar what is His and Give me what is Mine ! He was called Yeshua Ben Yoseph. aka Jesus son of Joseph. Jesus wanted his Birth Right as King of Jews of Jerusalem his Royal Kingdom on Earth. Jesus was charged with seddition against Rome and Hung on a Tree..Jesus knew he would be killed and put his Brother James to head the Church of Jerusalem called the —-WAY ! IT WAS NOT A catholic church but a Jewish Temple -
Well, I’ve read through this whole thread and must say, hearts are not going to be led to the Truth by attack and vitriol but rather treating others as one would treat themselves. Think of your own path towards the light of revelation and pray for that in others. Be kind and compassionate with each other.
I was Roman Catholic all my life (I’m 59) until a year or so ago. I am a sinner, as most humans are and ask for your prayers as you are all in mine. The internet has been both a blessing and a curse in my worldly pursuit of understanding and search for Truth. So much has been kept from us, and it has been hard to separate the chaff from the grain. I’ve come to the conclusion that you can tell what a person, group or institution is all about by the results of their actions.
I first started my inquiry into the practices of the modern day RCC with the election of Pope John XXIII and I came across things like “The Red Pope” or Cardinal Siri, who supposedly was elected Pope on two separate occasions but was denied by those that had taken over. Then came the alleged switch of Lucia of Fatima (she supposedly died and they had another nun take her place–compare the fotos) and the refusal of the Pope to reveal the Third Secret of Fatima to the world as requested by Our Lady. Also, the Pope never consecrated Russia to Christ, thereby avoiding much suffering. That led to an investigation into what Vatican II and ecumenism was really all about. Boy, the Holy Spirit opened my eyes. I used to respect Pope John Paul II very much, but now that I have seen all the fotos of him on the altar with all kinds of pagan representatives of different religions, celebrating, kissing the Q’uran, and the “bent” crucifix staff, that was just too much to bear. Through my reading, I came to see how the Illuminati/Masons have infiltrated the Church to the highest levels. Also, on a personal level, the priests have really changed. They have scant time and one has to practically beg for any kind of spiritual guidance on a one to one basis. This one young priest in particular changed dramatically after being assigned to Rome for a couple of years. Quite shocking. I know that we are all corrupted by the world, but a priest is supposed to have empathy, not a cold “I don’t have time for you” demeanor. I have encountered this more than a handful of times. I’m a very observant and introspective person and I started to connect the dots. When Benedict XVI was elected, his eyes just looked really scary to me, and my intuition told me something was not right. It didn’t help matters that he constantly put his foot in his mouth about something or other, leaving me incredulous each time. Now, the Mass is being tampered with again. Who prays with a word like “consubstantial”??? (this is in the new version of the Nicene Creed) What about the little kids or the elderly? That was pretty much the last straw for me. More later….Thanks for reading and for your patience.
If I make a mistake, I am grateful for those who correct me.
How does one gently, compassionately, set about correcting the Mystery Religion of Babylon?
One can carefully point out the legion of inherent contradictions to individuals wrapped up in it, yet who are open to change, however the organisation itself is juggernaut, & will not change (so agrees prophecy).
Wow, great write up. My wife used to be RC before she was saved and I didn’t realize the practice of venerating the dead, corpses. I just wanted to add recent apostasy, non-catholic, and perversion. I’m not sure if you’re aware of it or not but some Bible translators have crossed the Rubicon, so to speak. I know some translations have tried to ungender and make some texts acceptable to political correctness but this most recent has gone too far. Wycliffe and two others have actually removed the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit from the Muslim translations. They didn’t want to offend the Muslims by inferring God had sex ( it’s clear in the Gospels that the Holy Spirit touched her ) so they removed the trinity and replaced it with Allah, the Messiah, and The Helper, ei: the three key figures of Islam.
To remove the Trinity is to remove the power of the Word. And with the excuse that it is confusing???? Even Paul calls it a mystery, yet accepts it’s reality. So much massaging and now really confusing the Scriptures. Jesus, the Son of the Father is the offense that is the stumbling block, you can’t remove that.
Absolutely … The Vatican organisation is the antithesis of the True concept of Christianity and all that is sacred. Their form of religion is a tool for suppression, control, and dis empowerment of the masses. They have ordered the deaths of millions of people throughout history, ‘in God’s Name’. All Catholics should research their organisation in depth to understand fully what they are following and advocating. “You shall know them by their fruits”.
Will Jesus find any true faithfuls when He comes back? Jesus said ”I am the way, the truth and the Life. No One comes to the father except through me”. Why all this pagan worship? Come Lord Jesus!
This is a sad website do you understand the difference between veneration or giving honor versus adoration or worshiping something. I give honor Billy Graham for his tireless and sacrificial work that would be the same thing as venerating recognizing him as a protestant quasi saint. The Pope and catholics such as myself do not worship relics what we are doing is recognizing holy men and honoring them and asking for thier intercession. Yes we do beleive that we are connected to complete body of Christ living and dead this was taught by the earliest Christians and was only rejected by certian Prostestant groups at the time of the Reformation. I am so glad that I repented and rejected your Bible only Religion. I choose that Faith that gave birth to the Bible and many doctrines that you base your Churches off of. I once was deluded like you but through Mary’s intercession study of scripture and Church History I came home to the Catholic Church, I will praying for you that you will see the truth that thier is only one Church founded by Christ 2000 years ago and that Church is the same one that gave us hospitals, universities, preserved greek learning, laid the foundation for Science yes the Catholic Church,
The goal of this website is clear: to defame Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church does not even care about them but they keep on attacking it. This is an evidence that the Catholic Church is the Mother Church which in fact is true since only Catholicism can be traced back to the apostles. Jesus promised that He will stay with them until the end of the world to the apostles, not to Luther or to the Reformers. That promise has been handed down from the Apostles led by Peter to the Catholic clergy headed by the Pope up to the present time. Vatican may be imperfect but Christ loves it nevertheless – imperfect as it is. Ask yourselves, why did Christ choose Peter to be the head of his Church, not John the beloved disciple?
And besides, these “Christian communities” (remember it is inappropriate to call them Churches because there is only one Church) are way more flawed – they are just not sensationalized because they are not as big and important as the Catholic Church. Who cares if pastors molest children. Get my point? And the Catholic Church do not use it against them – because there are more important things to do. That is, to spread the Gospel – to bring Christ and His love to others. Calumny (if those things you claim are false) and detraction (if those things you claim are true) are sinful things. Focus on the most important things. Pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance. I bet this website entails research when your time could have been spent preaching Christ to those who do not know him yet or doing corporal or spiritual works of mercy or simply praying. In the end, even if you exert the hardest effort, this endeavor will remain futile – because Christ will not let His Church be destroyed – that is a promise made by Christ Himself. “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.” (Matthew 16:18)
Anonymous,
You said: “The goal of this website is clear: to defame Catholicism. The Roman Catholic Church does not even care
about them but they keep on attacking it.”
That is true—the RCC goes blithely on ignoring its critics but it SHOULD be listening and repenting of the evils of the Papacy and the Vatican.
You said: “This is an evidence that the Catholic Church is the Mother Church…”
If that were true Anonymous, we would still have the Church of Thyatira with us. Jesus Himself criticized all but one of the seven churches of Asia Minor that are discussed in the first three chapters of the Book of Revelation. As a word of advice, if you are going to try to refute what we say, it might be a good idea to have a bit more familiarity with Scripture rather than your pet passages.
You said: “…which in fact is true since only Catholicism can be traced back to the apostles…”
Wrong again. The RCC traces back to the church of Rome which married itself to the Roman Empire under Constantine and fell ever deeper into grievous error ever since that time.
You said: “Jesus promised that He will stay with them until the end of the world to the apostles…”
That part is true but the RCC can hardly lay exclusive claim to the promises given to the Apostles.
You said: “That promise has been handed down from the Apostles led by Peter to the Catholic clergy headed by the Pope up to the present time.”
That is a ridiculous canard that has been repeated over and over ad nauseum by RCC clergy. It is demonstrably false and so wrong-headed that it is hard to know where to begin in a refutation. First of all, the Bible tells us that Peter was “the Apostle to the Jews” in Galatians 2:7. What would he have been doing in Rome heading up the Gentile church there??? The Simon who headed the Church in Rome was not Simon Peter. Unfortunately the man who more than likely headed the Church in Rome was Simon Magus (see Acts 8:9-24) who is buried on Vatican Hill. That information on the establishment of the Church in Rome is readily available. You should consult other than RCC screeds and actually check into the history of the church you call home.
You said: “Vatican may be imperfect but Christ loves it nevertheless – imperfect as it is.”
How do you know this??? How do you know that He hasn’t totally removed the RCC lampstand?? (Again see the seven churches of the Book of Revelation.) I would urge you again to check into the history of your own church and pay particular attention to the types of men who were chosen to be the Popes—some lived totally profligate and filthy lives. How is this demonstrating that they were even Christians, let alone qualified to head any church??
You said: “Ask yourselves, why did Christ choose Peter to be the head of his Church, not John the beloved disciple?”
The fact is, that neither were chosen to be the head of the church at Rome which ultimately became the RCC after its marriage to the Roman Empire under Constantine.
You said: “And besides, these ‘Christian communities’ (remember it is inappropriate to call them Churches because there is only one Church) are way more flawed – they are just not sensationalized because they are not as big and important as the Catholic Church.”
This made me laugh so hard. Do you really think that Our Lord Jesus cares about “bigness and importance” as the world looks at those things?
You said: “Who cares if pastors molest children.”
It is a lie told frequently in the RCC that there is as much pedophilia in the Protestant churches as in the RCC. This is simply untrue and I can assure you that when it does happen, the anti-Christian media loves nothing better than exposing it among Protestants as much as it does the RCC. The fact is that the RCC has a problem with homosexuality as well as pedophilia—the two go together. Homosexuals are usually quite open among themselves about their lust for boys. By some estimates, as many as 40% of the RCC clergy are homosexual. What does this tell you about their tendency to pedophilia as well?
You said: “That is, to spread the Gospel – to bring Christ and His love to others.”
It is distinctly unloving to fail to warn those who are following false teachers.
You said: “Focus on the most important things. Pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance. I bet this website entails research when your time could have been spent preaching Christ to those who do not know him yet or doing corporal or spiritual works of mercy or simply praying. In the end, even if you exert the hardest effort, this endeavor will remain futile – ”
Well then, I guess you would accuse those who wrote the New Testament epistles of futile efforts as a great portion of those letters were written to combat false teaching and false teachers—they actually named names. Get more familiar with your Bible, please.
You said: “…because Christ will not let His Church be destroyed – that is a promise made by Christ Himself.”
That is true of the true Bride of Christ that is built on the testimony of not only Peter’s confession of Jesus as the Messiah but on all the testimony of all the saints (that is, the believers) of this age of grace. But He let plenty of false churches be destroyed in the past and will continue to let them be destroyed until He comes again. But He always has a remnant. Even Jesus wondered if He would find true faith on the earth when He returned (see Luke 18:8).
Hi Ellen. I love the way you tackle each detail but none of what you say will turn the truth. You made me smile when you omitted the last part, “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.” (Matthew 16:18). Thanks for at least reading my comment and giving a reply. God bless you
just a thought concerning Matthew chp 17 verses 17 and 18
We like to take one scripture and mold it to our own arguments, ideas thoughts etc…. we have to read the chapter or even book as a whole.
JESUS had to deal with the unbelief of the Pharisees and Sadducees. Then the unbelief of his disciples. This in turn, led to the discussion of who his disciples thought he was. Peter answered “you are the Christ Son of the living God.”
JESUS replied,” Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man but by my Father in heaven. And i tell you that you are Peter, and upon this rock i will build my church…..”
if we turn to 1 Corinthians chp 3 and read we find that no one can build on a foundation which isn’t Christ Jesus. (verse 11 in particular)
wow MAJOR CONTRADICTION right?
But the scriptures aren’t supposed to contradict right?
This makes the whole bible false right?
How can JESUS and Peter be the Foundation/rock/cornerstone at the same time ?
What if Paul was wrong?
Indulge me if you will, but we weren’t there to witness this conversation.
Let’s just say Jesus said “you are peter (and then pointed to himself, not Peter, and said) upon this rock i will build my church and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
then speaking to pete he said “i will give you the keys of the kingdom….”
or what if the God the father was speaking(in the style of the Dove and baptism) to Peter saying ” you are peter.
and upon this Rock(signifying Jesus) will i build my church…..
All of a sudden the scriptures don’t contradict!
The whole bible is not at odds! Paul and JESUS were in the same accord!
We all have responsibility of preaching the Gospel! There is such a thing as righteous anger amongst bretheren. I pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit when we do so. There are times when we must do it in Love and there are times when we break out the whip.
i meant matthew chp 16:)
The huge political organisation created by Constantine the Great in about AD300 included all kinds of things (including temple “priestesses” for the Pagan god Vesta), so of course a few Apostolic-looking chunks got included.
The disciples of Circe (Church) based on Rome (not Jerusalem) with no room for any other religious group not subservient to them (Catholic) does not need defaming, it needs genuine exposure.
To know the character of this organisation, compare the fact that it is the wealthiest organisation in the world, owning more land than any other (including nations), yet there are beggars in the streets outside its capital. This is the precise opposite of the spirit of Christ.
Its current leader is also High Priest of Nimrod, head of the Freemasons, head of the organisation which Adam Weishaupt (& his father & grandfather) were members of… the harder you look, the worse it gets.
Put your faith in God, not in man or in the religions of man.
Hi Leon,
I thought it was creepy that a few years ago the RCC made it okay to be a Mason. (8-})
I had a debate going with a gnostic on another Christian website a couple of years ago. A lot of what he said was New Agey nonsense but I remember being a bit taken aback by his statement that gnosticism was going to “get its revenge against Christianity” and, in fact, would be “taking over in the churches”. That does indeed seem to be what is happening. It seems to be popping up throughout the world. Masons are gnostics, the RCC is becoming more gnostic by the minute, Word of Faith people are gnostic (teaching that “we are little gods”). Mormons are, of course, quite gnostic (reflecting the fact that Joseph Smith was a Mason). Many, many in the Eastern Orthodox hierarchy are Masons. Sunni Islam has always been quite gnostic (it had a big influx of gnostics right at the beginning who “converted” to Islam under persecution). Interesting, no?
Hi Ellen, no Reply link under your comment so jamming it here…
The Masons started the JWs & the Mormons. Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit (as were his father & grandfather). The RCC trained Mohammed. The harder one looks, the more a nest of snakes it becomes.
The Masons also designed the Supreme Court building in Israel, & their Knesset building (Israel the state & Israel the tribe are only tangentially common). The head of the RCC is in charge of the committee managing the Temple Mount. The “oldest” Greek texts (favoured by Westcott & Hort, all resulting translations owned by Rupert Murdoch, who is hardly a friend of Christ) were both from Alexandria, then a centre of Gnosticism. I would be unsurprised to discover that predecessors to modern Freemasonry had designed & erected Nimrod’s ziggurat (artistit rendering on every USD$1 note). Hiss. Hiss.
Annonymous,
I was a devout Catholic, properly catechized , educated at Franciscan University. In my many years as a Catholic, I never heard the gospel of grace.
I can assure you the apostles were not Catholic. They were Jewish and preached the Jewish Messiah not the catholic pope.
The church I attend is more Christian than any Catholic church I have attended. For no one bows before idols and there is real love inthe community. No one attends out of obligation for fear of hell They attend because they love Jesus.
Your works are filthy rags as scripture says. You can’t work your way into heaven, but His blood is enough to cover you as the blood was enough to save the Jews from destruction when they covered the door posts with blood. Amen.
Anonymous,
You said: “Hi Ellen. I love the way you tackle each detail but none of what you say will turn the truth. You made me smile when you
omitted the last part, “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and THE GATES OF HELL SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.” (Matthew 16:18). Thanks for at least reading my comment and giving a reply. God bless you.”
Thanks for the blessing. I didn’t omit the Bible quote for any other reason that I didn’t think it necessary to repeat it—as I was not disputing that. I do however, vigorously disagree with your spin on it. It is NOT the RCC that is being referred to in the Matthew passage—the RCC didn’t even exist at that point. The true Church—the Bride of Christ existed from the time of the Pentecost (see Acts 2).
The testimony of Peter that Jesus is the long-awaited Messiah of Israel is what Jesus was referring to as the bedrock of the Church, in the Matthew passage. The RCC has long had anti-semitic elements and teaches that the RCC has replaced Israel. It could not EVER lay exclusive claim to being the Church of Christ upon the earth. The true Bride is ALL true believers from whatever denomination who understand and love the Scriptures and who comprehend the importance of Judaism to learning who Jesus really is. Jesus said in John 17:17, “Sanctify them in the truth—Your word is truth.” Since the RCC has never taken great pains to educate Catholics in the Bible, it cannot be the true church that it claims to be.
I have read almost every post on this site, and obviously there are some who really do not want to know the TRUTH OF WHO JESUS IS or what HE HAS DONE FOR US. This is sad. There are others who have proclaimed the TRUTH loud and clear and for that I am thankful.
Some of you may know this and some of you may not, but the OLD Hebrew name for Rome in the Old Testament and other Jewish history books was Chittim/Kittim.
Nu 24:24 (KJV) And ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever.
In Numbers 24:24 Balaam is given a prophesy by God to give to those trying to buy him off in cursing Israel. Here is that prophesy:
Nu 24:24 (KJV) And ships shall come from the coast of Chittim, and shall afflict Asshur, and shall afflict Eber, and he also shall perish for ever.
The “he” in that verse refers back to the first place mentioned in the passage, namely Chittim. The afflicted are not the one’s who perish.
There are prophecies concerning the outcome of Assyria/Asshur, but this is not one of them, and it will not Rome who destroys Assyria, if you read the Old Testament PROPHETS. But the OUTCOME of Rome and all under it’s umbrella is definitely foretold, not only in the Old Testament, but primarily in the New Testament in The Revelation of JESUS CHRIST in chapters 17 & 18.
What other religious organization calls itself a “woman”, “the R catholic church is our mother”, claims to have a “woman” as it’s “queen”, and plays the whore who is in bed with every political and religious “leader” in the world?
As a former Roman catholic of 27 years and a born again, blood bought believer in the only ONE who can save me, Jesus CHRIST, from the penalty of sin which is death, and from the WRATH of ALMIGHTY GOD, for 29 years this year, I will believe God’s Word over any man made teaching out there. Thank you very much.
Blessings to all the brothers and sisters in the LORD.
And I will pray for all those living in the deception of the cults, in particularly this conversation of Roman catholicism and the agnostics and atheists who also posted here.
Hi Elizabeth,
It is good to hear that you have escaped the clutches of the Roman cult. I pray that ever more will find their way out of the darkness that “she” represents. It seems that the RCC will be at the head of the one-world-religion that is forming and that “she” is the heir, and will be the structure of all things Babylonian in the dreadful world to come.
Hi Leon,
You said: “The Masons started the JWs & the Mormons. Adam Weishaupt was a Jesuit (as were his father & grandfather). The RCC trained Mohammed. The harder one looks, the more a nest of snakes it becomes.”
I think it is probably more correct to say that Weishaupt was educated by Jesuits. What is interesting is that the Jesuits were openly very gnostic before they were suppressed by Pope Clement XIV in 1773. The had frequent scuffles with those in the Roman church hierarchy and the suppression was more likely to be political than religious. But, in order to be reinstated, they likely were required to adhere to the official doctrine of the RCC. After their period in the “doghouse” the Jesuits never openly expressed gnostic philosophies again, but it is reasonably certain that they continued in their beliefs on a covert basis. The Jesuits must have been an important gnostic influence for Weishaupt. The Jesuits display the pagan/occult sunburst as part of their official insignia.
You said: “The Masons also designed the Supreme Court building in Israel, & their Knesset building (Israel the state & Israel the tribe are only tangentially common). The head of the RCC is in charge of the committee managing the Temple Mount. The “oldest” Greek texts (favoured by Westcott & Hort, all resulting translations owned by Rupert Murdoch, who is hardly a friend of Christ) were both from Alexandria, then a centre of Gnosticism. I would be unsurprised to discover that predecessors to modern Freemasonry had designed & erected Nimrod’s ziggurat (artistit rendering on every USD$1 note). Hiss. Hiss.”
I agree with your assessment. Gnosticism and Kabbalah are too similar to be unconnected. Both are quite comfortable in the same nest as Freemasonry. Did you know that Murdoch is a Freemason? Murdoch owns Newscorp which, in turn, owns Harper Collins which, in turn, owns Harper San Francisco, which, in turn, owns Zondervan, WHICH, IN TURN, owns the exclusive publishing rights to the NIV through Biblica (formerly known as The International Bible Society). Whew! Biblica owns the copyright but it cannot seek another publisher because it has a long-term contract with Zondervan. The most recent edition of the NIV has been politicized. They used “gender-neutral” language and set off a firestorm of protest from conservative evangelicals.
Freemasonry is currently the link between the religious and the political. But, not to be outdone, the RCC also has those like Tony Blair making linkages between the political and the religious (of course, the RCC has always linked the religious with the political—they are masters at it). Newt Gingrich is a recent convert to Catholicism and is a Knight of Malta (and a life-long Freemason). He wears some horrible ring that has an ugly, dinosaur/lizard concoction on it. Hiss, hiss, indeed.
Freemasons are composed of Jews and nonCatholic christians who envision to destroy the Church of Jesus, the RCC. Some of the freemasons entered the seminaries and they are the ones responsible for the corruptions in the Vatican and the scandals in the Church (sexual abuses especially). Their goal is to infiltrate the Church (they have perhaps entered the Jesuit order before as you stated), preferably to enter the higher ranks of the Church, and destroy it. Freemasonry is an enemy of the RCC. It breathes hatred toward Jesus Christ and His Church, the RCC. The canon law of the Church provides that when you associate yourself to freemasonry, you are automatically excommunicated. No catholic is a freemason – that is pursuant to the canon law. Any priest or lay person who is connected to freemasonry, is by that very fact, excommunicated, and therefore not a Catholic.