Europeans in the thousands get de-baptized as a revolt against the sexual abuse in the Roman Catholic church.
The de-baptized, "de-baptize" people and then given them a certificate like this one.
Ten years ago a man named Rene Lebouvier asked the local Catholic church to take him off the baptism registrar. When Lebouvier learned of the sex scandals and continued stance on birth control, Rene demanded the church remove him from all records permanently.
Rene stated, “It’s a sort of honesty toward the church because they have a guy on their register who doesn’t believe in God.”
Rene won a court ruling in Normandy which agreed that his name should be permanently deleted from the records.
Lebouvier is not the only one seeking de-baptism. Thousands are following suit, some of them by refusing state church taxes.
“The movement is happening across Europe,” said Anne Morelli, who heads a center studying religion and secularity at the Free University of Brussels. “It was very apparent during 2011 — in the Netherlands, Germany, Belgium and Austria. It is obviously related to the scandals of pedophile priests, but it has been going on for some time.”
Although there are no official statistics, experts guess the number de-baptized is in the tens of thousands.
In 2011 it is said that 181,000 people in Germany have left the Catholic church. The number is based on government papers filed by citizens who say they no longer will pay church taxes.
Thousands in Britain have downloaded de-baptism certificates. In Belgium 2000 certificates were requested in 2011.
“It’s not by chance that in Germany, Austria and Belgium that the movement is strongest,” says Belgian researcher Morelli, noting countries that levy church taxes, which France does not. “It’s also a struggle about subsidies the population must pay for a church that doesn’t represent them.”
Here is what the de-baptism certificate says in the photo above:
“I ________ having been subjected to the Rite of Christian Baptism in infancy (before reaching an age of consent), hereby publicly revoke any implications of that Rite and renounce the Church that carried it out. In the name of human reason, I reject all its Creeds and all other such superstition in particular, the perfidious belief that any baby needs to be cleansed by Baptism of alleged ORIGINAL SIN, and the evil power of supposed demons. I wish to be excluded henceforth from enhanced claims of church membership numbers based on past baptismal statistics used, for example, for the purpose of securing legislative privilege.”
In the following clip from ABC news, people getting de-baptized get blown with a hair drier to “reverse” the baptism:
Sources: Huffingtonpost.com, VOA
My Comment:
None of this comes of a surprise to me. This is the fruit of infant baptism.
Babies do not have faith. Babies do not choose to proclaim their faith in Jesus publicy. Babies do not choose to follow Jesus. This fact has brought millions of false “Christians” into the world because of infant baptism.
The Catholic Church, and several Protestant churches sprinkle water over babies heads and declare them saved Christians. Here a few of those “Christians:” Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Lady Gaga and the singer Madonna.
In the middle ages, infant baptism was a registry. If you did not get baptized, you were kicked out of the country. What a mockery of baptism. Imagine the millions of people having their babies baptized as to not get expelled from the country. Then if you didn’t believe what the church taught, you were burnt at the stake.
The Catholic Church and all churches that promote infant baptism now have thousands running to have it reversed. They don’t want to be associated with a church that abuses children and covers up the crimes.
If this isn’t blatant proof that infant baptism does not make you a Christian, then I don’t know what is.
Acts 8:34-40
34The eunuch answered Philip and said, “Please tell me, of whom does the prophet say this? Of himself or of someone else?” 35Then Philip opened his mouth, and beginning from this Scripture he preached Jesus to him. 36As they went along the road they came to some water; and the eunuch said, “Look! Water! What prevents me from being baptized?” 37[And Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” And he answered and said, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”] 38And he ordered the chariot to stop; and they both went down into the water, Philip as well as the eunuch, and he baptized him. 39When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; and the eunuch no longer saw him, but went on his way rejoicing. 40But Philip found himself at Azotus, and as he passed through he kept preaching the gospel to all the cities until he came to Caesarea.
Written by Sue
Dear Ivar and Sue,
Shalom,
I really pity these unwise ( I do not want to call them fools) people.
When Hindus, Buddhists, … pygmies, gypsies and other come to know the TRUE LIVING GOD LORD JESUS CHRIST , YESHUA . These people at least had the bible to search the TRUTH and find it.
follow our LORD JESUS CHRIST in saying … “Father forgive them for they know not what they do…. give them another opportunity to repent and know you the Only TRUE LIVING GOD”
Ps 14:1 and Ps 53:1
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Mat 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
With Love In LORD JESUS CHRIST,
Benn
Shabbat Shalom Ivar and Sue,
I can see why people would want to be debaptised. Many jews were forced to convert to Catholicism. This is a public decleration against this wicked organization. Pray for these people that they come to know the one true G’d before it’s too late. These people recognize that the Catholic church is wicked and this is their way of seperating themselves from the profane. Now the next step should be to introduce them to what is Holy; Yeshua.
Dear Denise and Sue.
Sabbath Shalom.
It is not possible to be de-baptized, without first being baptized. Non of the Roman Catholics experienced their own “whatever”. They could not say yes, neither could they object. The doctrine of “baptism” of infants is a Roman Catholic dogma. It promises salvation in baptism, a doctrine that do not hold any merits inside Biblical Christianity.
Baptism is done on people who first confess faith. Some of these people also walk away from faith later in life. But I have never heard of anyone asking for a de-baptism certificate, renouncing a ritual they them selves approved.
I pray Roman Catholics who leave the Vatican behind will open their Bible, and be saved reading the Word of God, Next they can be baptized.
People can be saved by mercy and grace alone, without being baptized. But why run the race without being baptized? It takes 10 minutes, and it is not dangerous.
I agree Denise. Thanks for your comment. Blessings.
Dear Ivar and Sue,
Thank you for this very interesting article.
If there is a de-registry for staying at a Catholic retreat center and participating in their blasphemous programs, please tell me how to sign-up.
Many years ago, on the verge of exhaustion, I found myself checking into a Catholic monastery tucked away in the mountains for a weekend retreat. I was not aware at the time of the evils lurking behind the facade of “godliness and holiness” it outwardly projected. The grounds were breathtakingly beautiful and there was an element of peace about the place — but it was only later on that I realized it was all superficial deception.
In every room were crucifixes and idolatrous statues of the counterfeit “mary.” They offered classes on the Enneagram, claiming it was compatible with Christianity, but is nothing more than occult teaching and divination started by Sufis Muslims. They taught contemplative prayer where you were told to repeat one word over and over again and make your mind as “nothing” in order to find God. These classes were conducted while kneeling on a prayer mat in a room that looked like a Buddhist temple. I attended daily prayers and even took the eucharist when it was offered (GOD FORGIVE ME), not understanding at the time that it is NOT the same as taking communion.
One evening during the compline service, they projected on a large screen in the chapel an image of the “queen of heaven” with her arms outstretched, that was probably about 12 feet tall by 15 feet wide. As soon as the image appeared, all the monks fell to the floor, almost violently, some to their knees while others were lying flat on their stomachs. I began to feel very uneasy, as the Holy Spirit was beginning to show me the height of deception in that place.
On another visit, I prayed that the Lord would show me in a tangible way if Catholicism was real and if He approved of it. During a mass in the chapel, I was standing and holding the Catholic prayer book when suddenly I had no strength in my arms whatsoever, as if all the muscles in my arms were not there anymore. I literally did not have the strength to hold that book and a feeling of panic came over me as the Lord was answering my prayer in a VERY TANGIBLE WAY.
Praise Yeshua, our Great and Mighty King, who knows the END from the BEGINNING and is MORE THAN ABLE “to keep you from falling and to present you before HIS glorious presence without fault and with great joy. To the ONLY GOD our Savior be Glory, Majesty, Power and Authority, through Jesus Christ our Lord, before all ages, now and forevermore! Amen” (Jude 1:24-25).
That day I felt like Hagar when “she gave this name to the LORD who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.” That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi (the Well of the Living One who watches over me)” (Gen. 16:13-14).
Amen forever and ever to Yeshua El Roi, the GOD WHO SEES.
JM,
I have recently left the catholic church. For over 40 years, I was at times a very devout roman catholic & a firm believer in all she taught. For someone who is heavily involved in RCC, to leave it I think it is necessary to almost go thru a form of
exorcism. I have tremendous joy in my savior Jesus now; there are times when I physically feel ill (shaking, heaviness, etc.) when I need healing from the claws of Catholicism. So it is not surprising to me that you experienced a form of heaviness in your limbs when at Mass.
Kay
Dear Kay and JM.
Sabbath Shalom.
I can confirm the physical pain in attending mass. In specially after I understood what the priest are doing on the altar, having “Jesus” physically present on the altar, crucifying him and drinking his physical blood.
As a Church going “atheist” in 2004 (not to many of them), I joined a group of Roman Catholics trying to save their priest being arrested accused for sexually abusing a 13 year old girl. So I do have some experience in how this “Holy” church handle such sensitive stuff.
Dear Ivar and Kay,
Praise God for being saved by Grace, redeemed and washed in the Blood of Jesus, and clothed in garments of salvation. Never again will we tolerate deception by “the mother of harlots and abomination of the earth.” (Rev. 17:5)
Kay, your physical symptoms can be overcome “by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of your testimony” (Rev. 12:11). You don’t need an outside “exorcist” to help you, as “greater is HE that is in you than he that is in the world” (1 John 4:4). Throw out EVERYTHING even remotely connected with the Roman Catholic church, including pictures of Jesus which the Bible forbids. (Exodus 20:4) Even something like a picture of the Shroud of Turin could be a demonic counterfeit invention of Rome.
Put on the Armor of God: “Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” (Ephesians 6:10-17).
Blessings!
Dear JM,
Thank you for sharing Ephesians with me. A dear Christian friend of mine has often referred this to me, & u re-shared it at just the right time. Here is the thing: all things are possible w/ God – after 40 years of pretty deep involvement in RCC, it is just not easy to shed her. But I can say that day by day in God ‘s word and in the Holy Spirit that The lies & spins & twists are very easily seen by me whereas before it is like I did not have the ability to ‘know’ or ‘see’ differently.
Dear Ivar,
Shalom.
The RCC does not claim to crucify Christ. They claim to make the one time sacrifice mystically present as if it was re- represented to the viewer. This is mystagogy which is defined as occultism. They also say each mass forgives venial sins but not mortal sins. Then if you don’t have mortal sin you get to eat His body. I was very entrenched in the mass, like Kay. I am so far removed from it now that remembering it in detail feels like shackles being thrown around my neck.
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
This is what the RCC teach:
1367:
The sacrifice of Christ and the sacrifice of the Eucharist are one single sacrifice…..The victim is one and the same:
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Jesus was sacrificed on the cross. He was crucified. The horror of the Eucharist, is that the RCC do claim they crucify their “Jesus” in every mass. They claim they do it in a not bloody manner. The sacrifice takes place on the altar. Than the priests drink his literal blood, and all faithful Catholics eat his physical flesh.
In the RCC church I attended for some years, only the priests drank the blood of “Jesus”. The service was pure and damnable blasphemy.
SueLiz,
I would venture to say that most Catholics in general do not realize it was by their sins that Christ was crucified? Recently At a Mass, the priest proclaimed that ‘they killed Jesus’ (referring to the people of Jesus’ time). I am amazed at all the twists & spins that catholic teachers put on the Word of God’.
Kay
Dear Key.
Shalom.
The RCC believe the “victim” is the same. So Jesus is physically present. He comes from the tablernacle, is crucified and consumed, and goes back to the tablernacle. All of this takes place in a not bloody manner.
There is a lot of interesting theological contradictions in such teachings. Like: What do happen to “Jesus” during the week. Is He locked up in the Tabernacle?
If a Roman Catholic vomit in the seconds after taking the Eucharist, will “Jesus” also end up on the floor?
I attended a Lutheran Eucharist mass in a park. The wind took the Eucharist, just in front of astonished Lutherans. The priest was cool about the whole event. But a Catholic lady panicked. Because the wafer is not supposed to touch the ground. The Catholic lady ran around trying to catch all the “Jesus-es” flying in the air. How I wish I had brought my video camera with me.
Dear Kay,
I’m not sure if most Catholics feel this way. I always knew it was my sins but nothing surprises me anymore.I know one thing. Catholics think if they are in ‘mother church’ they are “in” in terms of heaven. If they follow her rules and do as she says they are on the road to heaven, hoping to land in purgatory. Heaven straight-away is only for Saints.
When I was a teenager I read a book on Purgatory and it was horrific. I thought “I’m damned if I do, I’m damned if I don’t” . I felt hopeless for ever getting to heaven and could not reconcile it for years.
Dear Sue
Shalom.
You wrote:
Heaven straight-away is only for Saints.
My reply:
I saw this in the doctrine of Purgatory, and found it interesting. Since there is a possible direct way to Heaven, why not make all people saints in this life?
The Pope do not use this possible direct salvation found in cannon law. The Pontiff do not canonize saints right away, but needs to take the Church through a process of beautification. And I wounder why? If the saints are in Heaven, and not in Purgatory, why wait?
My best guess is that the Pope acts like God. He needs to examine the saints, before he permits them to enter Heaven. The departed “saints” face some strange existence that is neither Heaven, nor Purgatory. Like the former doctrine of Limbo, the waiting place for infants who died without being “baptized”.
The problem with a gospel of works is, that you really do not know how much works being needed to get saved. Better to wait, and see if anyone who have prayed to a departed “saint” has received some kind of miracle.
Hi Ivar,
I have never thought of the vomit scenario. There was always a huge concern of the bread particles being left on people’s hands (I was always checking my hands & eating any tiny crumbs of the host) & I was always annoyed & concerned that others did not check their hands. There was also great concern if the wine was spilled on the floor, etc.
I understand your point, but Catholics do not believe they are re-crucifying Jesus at the altar. They
Believe they are back at the original Sacrifice, done once & for all … So u see, in their eyes, even in this they are safe with scripture. It is the same as when children believe that Santa Claus brings u presents for
Christmas! All one big twisted lie!
Dear Kay.
Shalom.
I was a practicing but not believing Catholic for some years. I just went to Church, because my wife wanted to attend. I discovered that there were different kind of worshipers. This is a very general overview.
1. Devoted Catholics. They spend a lot of time doing penance for the priest, and parish council. They believe the Pope is infallible, and submit to every dogma. You might even see them carry Catholic Bibles with them to Church. They would rather die, than touching a King James Bible.
2. Obeying Catholics. They have attended Catechism lessons, and have a rough idea of the teachings of the Church. They attend masses, other Church functions, and even go for confession.
3. Sunday Catholics. They have to go for mass, but hope it will get over ASP. They have other and more important things to do on a Sunday. Most of them have no faith at all, and hardly knows what the Catholic Church teach.
Since I was an atheist, I was not to concerned about what the church teach. Only those on the fist benches had a good view of what the Priests were doing at the altar. I took the Eucharist, because my wife felt it would be an embarrassment for her if I sat back in the rows.
When group 2 and 3 become aware of what the priests believe they are doing on the altar, they would probably faint. At least some of them. You Kay, and Sue were in group number 1. It takes Jesus more than “I will pray for you”, to get you off the hock.
Ivar,
I would say I am part of Group 1 only to my shame I never carried a Bible & didn’t ‘t think it all that necessary because I placed all my trust in the teachings of catholic men & women. I had never heard of the King James bible though I knew enough that I had to buy a Catholic Bible with imprimatur from a bishop! I was a Mary worshiper and felt secure that my salvation was safe in her loving mantle!
Now that my Lord Jesus pulled me off my high horse & opened my blind
eyes, when I now attend catholic mass (this is another story I cannot share online), I sit & I watch & I
listen: many do NOT believe practically anything RCC teaches yet why do they go? This is very puzzling to me?
Ivar,
Please read the following:
http://www.miraclerosarymission.org/mi94nov.htm
Dear Sue.
Shalom.
From the Catholic link:
Only recently I had the occasion of assisting at a mass where the body and blood of Christ were not elevated for the faithful to adore as is prescribed in the sacramentary.
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The “adoration” of “Jesus” in the mass, is quite extraordinary. Since the RCC claim this is the same “Jesus” that was supposed to have ended all this ONCE and for ALL in Jerusalem 2.000 years ago. This is truly occult. Some “Hockus Pocus”.
This is Wikipedia on The Latin magic:
In all probability those common juggling words of hocus pocus are nothing else but a corruption of hoc est corpus, by way of [...] imitation of the priests of the Church of Rome in their [...] Transubstantiation
Whether they resacrifice or “make present” the sacrifice they are both lies. I was never taught it was a re-sacrifice. Only a re- presentation. Catholic apologetics will tell you that.
I was very much taught that we were offering our sacrifices, prayers and offerings along w/ Jesus’ sacrifice at the Mass. Yes it was the same sacrifice at calvary, but along w/ it we offered ourselves, 2! While being in the convent, this teaching of re-offering this sacrifice of Jesus on the altar along w/ all we do was hugely taught to us. The re-presentation slides easily over to a thinking that He is being re-sacrificed again. B/c in our catholic lives that is/was what was happening…each day we went to mass, we re-lived Calvary & had no idea that the sacrifice was done once & for all & is unrepeatable.
Dear Ivar,
Shalom.
I was taught as a child through University, that Jesus is lonely in the tabernacle, waiting for visitors. So that is what I did, I visited ‘him.’. As if God “needed” me. A lot of guilt is associated with this if you don’t go visit ‘him.’
Once a priest used the wrong bread during mass with yeast in it. It was very crumbly and was ALL over the floor. I stayed after mass, picking up all the bread on my hands and knees eating all of it, afraid the janitor would sweep jesus away. I then told the priest it was wrong to use that bread. He thought I was crazy and obviously didn’t believe in Transubstantiation. This is the life of a believing Catholic.
The ironic thing about teaching that the sacrifice in the mass is an unbloody manner is that there is no sacrifice without blood. They claim there is NO bread or wine left, only jesus under the appearance of bread and wine. They take this theory from Greek philosopher Aristotle…the theory of Accidents which has since been proven unscientific by scientists. No matter, it is still supposed ‘proof,’
Dear Ivar,
Have you heard the jokes about St. Peter waiting outside the gates of heaven and that he holds the keys to enter? All from Catholic theology. Yes, the pope needs to see just how holy the Saint is and if he is worthy of being in heaven. Three ‘miracles’ must be attached to the saints name. So I guess he waits at the ‘gate’ to see who will enter. As soon as the Saint enters, all the Catholic faithful may pray to dead Saint and ask requests.
People believe you need a certain number of masses said for a dead person to get them out of purgatory. They give their money for each mass said. The problem is they don’t know how many masses are needed and desperate people leave their entire bank accounts to the church for this purpose!
When you are not saved by the blood and trust in His finished work, the work is never done. You labor in vain on your own to climb the ladder of works to attain heaven. I can’t help but think of mother Theresa who in her last days wrote in her diary that her faith was a sham. A fake. I hope she realized there was nothing she could do to attain heaven at her dying breath.
Some say this is the “dark night of the soul” that “Saints” go through. Baloney. It is dark because they are living in darkness.
No one in heaven will be able to brag about what ‘they’ have done to get there. Only Jesus. The works train is really pride in disguise.
Ivar.
You mentioned the vomit question. A former Catholic friend of mine had this question too and she was given the answer that the person would need to eat their own vomit.
This has actually happened to me where I threw up after communion. I felt guilty, but didn’t eat my own vomit.